MLB Thread - July 2013

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:34 pm

Scottie: Jays have to fire Gibbons now right?

Yes I know I'm about 2 months too late.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:49 pm

Yeah, I had a bad feeling going into this four-game Reds series. Curb stomping Timmay and the Jints, 5-0 in the second.

Scottie · Post by **Scottie** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:54 pm

degenerasian wrote:Scottie: Jays have to fire Gibbons now right?

My two cents is "yes". Absolutely. They should have fired him at 22-33. They should have fired him, too, at 27-36. Tonight's blowout comes mere hours after Mark Buehrle publically states "Maybe we were overrated. Maybe we’re not as good as we thought we were." Uh, yeah, no kidding.

That's not the sort of attitude you'd expect to see from someone who still thought they had a chance. Nah. That's the sort of attitude you'd expect to see from someone who knows they're finished. Whenever you see fielding that is so poor, so amateur looking, it is typically a sign that they guys just aren't into the game. And that is squarely on Gibbons; no discipline on that team whatsoever. And Gibbons is soooooooo frustrating to watch when he just sits there like a statue. Man on 1st, no outs, close game? Consider bunting? Nope. Not even close. "Gee, maybe Reyes will hit a 2-run homer here!". Yeah, sure. Gibbons is no Earl Weaver and the Jays are not the 1970 Baltimore Orioles. Just about any time you see a relatively obvious opportunity (bunt, hit-and-run, steal), Gibbons never calls for it.

If you're going to let the players manage the game then you've made your own position obsolete. Cito Gaston was a "players manager", mostly with the pitching staff, but even he made decisions throughout the game. Hell, Cito would be in a constant conversation with Galen Cisco, Gene Tenace, Bob Bailor, Nick Leyva. But friggin' Gibbons just sits there like he has the best seat in the house and he's a fan attending the game all by himself.

Yes. Fire him. Now. Unquestionably.

HDO45331 · Post by **HDO45331** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:11 pm

howard wrote:Yeah, I had a bad feeling going into this four-game Reds series. Curb stomping Timmay and the Jints, 5-0 in the second.

Save a few for tomorrow. Pace yourself.

Mark Berry is beck at third base. All is well.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:54 am

Sabo wrote:TRIVIA TIME: Since 1935, only one MLB player has collected two six-hit games in their career. Who is it?

Hank Greenberg?

Post by **Sabo** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:00 am

DC47 wrote:
Sabo wrote:TRIVIA TIME: Since 1935, only one MLB player has collected two six-hit games in their career. Who is it?
Hank Greenberg?

No sir. Wrong era.

kranepool · Post by **kranepool** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 6:48 am

RA Dickey? (we fucking give up already)

Post by **Sabo** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 7:34 am

kranepool wrote:RA Dickey? (we fucking give up already)

Just for that comment I'm going to make you wait two more weeks for the answer.

Not really. The answer is Kirby Puckett.

testy boxcar · Post by **testy boxcar** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:10 pm

Sabo wrote:TRIVIA TIME: Since 1935, only one MLB player has collected two six-hit games in their career. Who is it?

skip schumaker

Scottie · Post by **Scottie** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:25 pm

All good comedy has a hard element of truth.

http://www1.skysports.com/news/12993/8837963/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:41 pm

I feel like the raptors shouldn't have been able to score nine runs.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:07 pm

1. Do you believe the rumors that A-Rod might get a lifetime ban?

2. Would a lifetime ban mean he is ineligible for the Hall of Fame?

3. If you had a vote, would you vote him into the Hall of Fame if he were eligible?

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:09 pm

1. Yes, but I'd bet he doesn't

2. I would imagine

3. Probably not - I really just have not decided on the PED issue, but...he was using, like, forever. I'd say without PEDs he probably would have had a HoF career but...eh. Just don't know.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:20 pm

1. Please please please please please!

2. Cake, meet icing.

3. Of course. But I'd vote for Victor Conte.

Scottie · Post by **Scottie** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:31 pm

1. Doubt he'll get "life"; maybe a full season, which might be effectively the rest of his career.
2. Banned players are ineligible for the HoF.
3. Leaning toward "no" on that one; agreeing with Slolz but since I'm dead set against The Head being in the HoF, I'd vote no. Or, more accurately, not vote yes.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:26 pm

Don't linger at the bag when you are covering first.

This one is gruesome. Avoid the replay.

kranepool · Post by **kranepool** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:48 pm

Braves fans are lighting up message boards claiming how Young's attack on Hudson was completely avoidable.

Scottie · Post by **Scottie** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:02 pm

Looks like they were both on the wrong side(s) of the base.

Hey, degen, how about now? Think Gibbons goes after that three-game meltdown in the Dodgers series? A 4-14 stretch and riding 7-straight losses. Last night, SportsNet had the camera on the Jays dugout for a solid 20-seconds. And you couldn't help but notice that not once did anyone on that bench so much as say a single word to anyone else on the bench. Then they cut to a shot of Gibbons sitting there, arms crossed, chewing gum (evidently to remain awake), completely isolated and staring into space. Meanwhile, Mattingly is over in the Dodgers dugout carrying on a full-time conversation with Hillman (the bench coach). Gibbons is simply not managing games. He's attending them, sure. That team is utterly lifeless.

They called a "players only" meeting a couple of days ago. An airing of grievances. It didn't help. The Jays relief pitching should be investigated by the United Nations as a possible crime against humanity. Thing is, the Toronto ownership is so frustratingly Canadian-slow to act. That team needs a manager to come in and start motivating guys in a Mike Keenan sort of way.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:35 am

kranepool wrote:Braves fans are lighting up message boards claiming how Young's attack on Hudson was completely avoidable.

It was avoidable if Hudson had put his foot in the right spot. Not saying that's easy at full speed, but it certainly isn't easy for young to miss either.

Young was horrified, so there was no harmful intent, IMO.

Post by **Sabo** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:37 am

Oof. That's one of those injuries I wish I could unsee.

Post by **Sabo** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:42 am

Nice job by the SF Giants grounds crew last night.

howard · Post by **howard** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:46 am

A ploy to psychologically narrow the umpire's strike zone for Mike Leake?

Post by **brian** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:57 am

howard wrote:A ploy to psychologically narrow the umpire's strike zone for Mike Leake?

Probably just too much Humboldt chronic before the game.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:22 pm

swiss camp, some awesome names.

Torhüter (6): Berra Reto (Calgary Flames / NHL), Conz Benjamin (HC Fribourg-Gottéron), Flüeler Lukas (ZSC Lions), Gerber Martin (Kloten Flyers), Hiller Jonas (Anaheim Ducks / NHL), Stephan Tobias (Genève-Servette HC).

Verteidiger (17): Bezina Goran (Genève-Servette HC), Blindenbacher Severin (ZSC Lions), Blum Eric (Kloten Flyers), Chiesa Alessandro (EV Zug), Diaz Rafael (Montreal Canadiens / NHL), Du Bois Félicien (Kloten Flyers), Furrer Philippe (SC Bern), Grossmann Robin (HC Davos), Josi Roman (Nashville Predators / NHL), Loeffel Romain (HC Fribourg-Gottéron), Ramholt Tim (EV Zug), Sbisa Luca (Anaheim Ducks / NHL), Seger Mathias (ZSC Lions), Streit Mark (Philadelphia Flyers / NHL), Vauclair Julien (HC Lugano), Von Gunten Patrick (Kloten Flyers), Weber Yannick (Vancouver Canucks / NHL).

Stürmer (25): Ambühl Andres (HC Davos), Bärtschi Sven (Calgary Flames / NHL), Bieber Matthias (Kloten Flyers), Bodenmann Simon (Kloten Flyers), Brunner Damien (Detroit Red Wings / NHL), Bürgler Dario (HC Davos), Cunti Luca (ZSC Lions), Gardner Ryan (SC Bern), Hollenstein Denis (Genève-Servette HC), Monnet Thibaut (HC Fribourg-Gottéron), Moser Simon (SC Bern), Niederreiter Nino (Minnesota Wild / NHL), Pestoni Inti (HC Ambrì-Piotta), Plüss Benjamin (HC Fribourg-Gottéron), Plüss Martin (SC Bern), Romy Kevin (Genève-Servette HC), Rüthemann Ivo (SC Bern), Sciaroni Gregory (HC Davos), Simek Juraj (Genève-Servette HC), Sprunger Julien (HC Fribourg-Gottéron), Stancescu Victor (Kloten Flyers), Suri Reto (EV Zug), Trachsler Morris (ZSC Lions), Walker Julien (Genève-Servette HC), Wick Roman (ZSC Lions).

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:25 pm

I guess, degen.

Exciting, sloppy, awful-umpired game in DC today. Nats pour it on early on errors, Bucs come back, Nats add some more, Bucs come back with 4 in the top of the ninth, and then Bryce Harper hits a walkoff dinger with two out in the bottom of the frame. Both managers ejected along the way. Worst strike zone I've ever seen, at least based on consistent badness.

But a hell of a game all in all.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:25 pm

Don't be mucking up the mlb thread!

Scottie · Post by **Scottie** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:27 pm

Which one is the closer?

(kidding)

While Dario Bürgler is a suave enough name, I'm tempted to invest in a Cunti jersey.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:38 pm

bah now y'all got me confused.. baseball in the hockey thread and hockey in the baseball thread!

howard · Post by **howard** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:41 pm

Neither of our teams is very good at baseball.

Giants bottom of the eighth, four batters hit the ball into play. In the infield. Despite loading the bases with none out, failed to score. Or hit the ball out of the infield.

Cubs fielded four batted balls in the infield. Two were bunts, intended to be sacrifice bunts, but no outs recorded. Two were with the bases loaded, yet each failed to yield a double play. Maddy Bumgarner and Chris Rusin matching zeros. Yes, THE Chris Rusin, a swamp natural (Detroit native, Kentucky grad, or at least attendee). 0-0 after eight, four hits per team.

At least Gus is calling boxing tonight, otherwise lost for this sports fan.

ETA: Hey Romo, you know that hole in Nate Schierholtz' swing, low and away, that used to be there? It ain't there any more, he covers it. 1-0 Cubs. If I know the fucking scouting report on Nate, you'd think the Giants' closer would.

ETAA: Cubs closer Gregg loads bases with one out (groundout, single, walk, walk). Third inning in a row Giants load bases. Same result--no runs, this time GIDP. Both teams deserve a loss for this mess.

Post by **brian** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:03 pm

Not sure why but there hasn't been many posts in the Red Sox Magic Number thread lately.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Sat Jul 27, 2013 11:27 pm

brian wrote:Not sure why but there hasn't been many posts in the Red Sox Magic Number thread lately.

In other Red Sox news, Ortiz had an excellent display of Roid Rage tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tff34-bQKxI

Post by **brian** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:32 pm

Bizarre Tigers-Phillies game today. First HP ump tosses Miguel Cabrera in the middle of an AB in the third and now the Tigers have scored 8 unearned runs on 2 hits in the 6th

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:50 pm

brian wrote:Bizarre Tigers-Phillies game today. First HP ump tosses Miguel Cabrera in the middle of an AB in the third and now the Tigers have scored 8 unearned runs on 2 hits in the 6th

The important thing for the Phillies is this weekend should make even Amaro, Jr. realize they should be sellers over the next couple days.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:08 pm

Sorry, Doc. Your boys just ran into a juggernaut.

Post by **brian** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:45 pm

I'm still kinda fucking steamed about Cabrera getting tossed despite the result and the fact that getting Cabby some rest isn't a bad thing. Umpires who think they're the reason people go to the games are the fucking worst.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:55 pm

I missed this part of the game. What did the strike zone box they show on TV disclose about the location of the two pitches that Cabrera didn't like?

howard · Post by **howard** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:23 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote:Sorry, Doc. Your boys just ran into a juggernaut.

I think I've been insulted. But I don't know what juggernaut means.

Post by **brian** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:09 pm

DC47 wrote:I missed this part of the game. What did the strike zone box they show on TV disclose about the location of the two pitches that Cabrera didn't like?

FSD never showed it that I saw and I didn't like that but they really rarely do for some reason.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:30 am

Tigers got another closer candidate in a deal with the Astros. Veras to Detroit.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:02 pm

Another great Dombrowski deadline deal, no matter how this guy throws. They've also got a reasonable option on him for 2014. Much better than throwing money and prospects at Papelbon.