Swamp Album Draft: Current Pick - BFJ (329th) + SKIP J-LO (324/325th)

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:42 am

Round 7 seems like it's about time to take a Caucasian rock act. Between the harmonizing between Staley and Cantrell, to the songwriting, to the fact that they were always one of my favorite groups:

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:43 am

Giff wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:05 am Raconteurs are a Brendan Benson band, right?

Alternative to Love was a solid album.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:47 am

I think you could make an argument that Sabbath is an Iommi joint, right, and not Ozzy?

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:56 am

A_B wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:47 am I think you could make an argument that Sabbath is an Iommi joint, right, and not Ozzy?

That's a good question. Obviously the lineup rotated around Iommi but Ozzy was original vocalist + on 9 (out of 20) albums.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:29 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:27 am
Jerloma wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:23 am I'll add my 2nd and 3rd self-titled debuts, both of which I played the fuck out of in college.

Shit and Fuck.

Those are the first two albums, not just artists, that were very high on my list, especially Blues Traveler, which was coming off the board this round. Sure, a couple of other picks hit close, but these two are direct "you sank my battleship" shit.

Damn.

It's a little eerie how much satisfaction I got from this.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:38 pm

Jerloma wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:29 pm
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:27 am
Jerloma wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:23 am I'll add my 2nd and 3rd self-titled debuts, both of which I played the fuck out of in college.

Shit and Fuck.

Those are the first two albums, not just artists, that were very high on my list, especially Blues Traveler, which was coming off the board this round. Sure, a couple of other picks hit close, but these two are direct "you sank my battleship" shit.

Damn.
It's a little eerie how much satisfaction I got from this.

Yeah, I spent the weekend wondering if it would have been worth picking The Jayhawks (which was probably my second pick at the time) in this round just to spite Enoch (who picked them immediately after me) even if in a vacuum I do like the album I picked a little more.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:47 pm

Debating between two absolute gem albums by the same artist. One released in '97, the other '99. Any guesses while I listen to both and finalize my decision?

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:50 pm

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:56 pm

Its Built to Spill.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:57 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:47 pm Debating between two absolute gem albums by the same artist. One released in '97, the other '99. Any guesses while I listen to both and finalize my decision?

Jay-Z.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:59 pm

Spice Girls

Blur

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:00 pm

nah nah nah nah na-nah nah

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:03 pm

Sleater Kinney

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:05 pm

Guys, I'm right.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:07 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:05 pm Guys, I'm right.

Yeah, I suspect you are.

But Imma keep going.

Blink-182 (bwah!)

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:07 pm

Yep. Despite the back to back bangers "Out of Site" and "Kicked it in the Sun" (two perfect songs) on Perfect From Now On, I'm going with Keep It Like a Secret, an album that is special in other ways. Where PFNO is alternajambandy (only one song less than 6:00), and great, I'm not gonna always be in the mood for the long players.

KILAS brought BtS back closer to where they were song length wise when I first heard them (1994's There's Nothing Wrong With Love), and there's more than enough in "Carry the Zero", "Time Trap", and "You Were Right" to more than make up for the genius that I'm missing in not selecting PFNO.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:15 pm

If you're me and never really got into them, which album are you starting with here?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:21 pm

mister d wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:15 pm If you're me and never really got into them, which album are you starting with here?

I know you're not asking me, but I'd go with the one he picked.

If you want one song to get you hooked, I'd say You Were Right.

That's one of my favorite songs. I can listen to it on a loop for 30-40 minutes. Not even slightly kidding.

Post by **Sabo** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:42 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:07 pm Yep. Despite the back to back bangers "Out of Site" and "Kicked it in the Sun" (two perfect songs) on Perfect From Now On, I'm going with Keep It Like a Secret, an album that is special in other ways. Where PFNO is alternajambandy (only one song less than 6:00), and great, I'm not gonna always be in the mood for the long players.

KILAS brought BtS back closer to where they were song length wise when I first heard them (1994's There's Nothing Wrong With Love), and there's more than enough in "Carry the Zero", "Time Trap", and "You Were Right" to more than make up for the genius that I'm missing in not selecting PFNO.

Never heard of Built to Spill until about a month ago, which is convenient since I'll be seeing them open for the Afghan Whigs in late April.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:43 pm

I'd start with Keep It Like a Secret ('99), then probably go to There's Nothing Wrong With Love ('94), then The Normal Years ('96)(B-sides and outtakes album to get you ready for Perfect from Now On ('97), then Ancient Melodies of the Future ('01). If you're still around through all that, I'd go to the newer stuff which is all good, but can be hit or miss, depending on the song.

You Were Right is fantastic (love the callback lyrics), but Else is amazing. It's such a Doug Martsch love song.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:45 pm

Sabo, I'd love to see them live again. You're in for a treat. They have a bit of an unaffected by it all attitude that they give off live, and Doug Martsch really does play the guitar like he's got Parkinson's, but my god they sound fantastic live. Bring earplugs, they can be quite loud.

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:56 pm

So many good songs on this album.

Post by **Sabo** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:57 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:45 pm Sabo, I'd love to see them live again. You're in for a treat. They have a bit of an unaffected by it all attitude that they give off live, and Doug Martsch really does play the guitar like he's got Parkinson's, but my god they sound fantastic live. Bring earplugs, they can be quite loud.

Thanks for the tip. But the Whigs are pretty damn loud too, so earplugs were always part of the plan.

And Martsch probably doesn't have guitar Parkinson's as bad as Pat Metheny.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:58 pm

Sabo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:57 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:45 pm Sabo, I'd love to see them live again. You're in for a treat. They have a bit of an unaffected by it all attitude that they give off live, and Doug Martsch really does play the guitar like he's got Parkinson's, but my god they sound fantastic live. Bring earplugs, they can be quite loud.
Thanks for the tip. But the Whigs are pretty damn loud too, so earplugs were always part of the plan.

And Martsch probably doesn't have guitar Parkinson's as bad as Pat Metheny.

I'll let you be the judge and report back.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:01 pm

Sabo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:57 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:45 pm Sabo, I'd love to see them live again. You're in for a treat. They have a bit of an unaffected by it all attitude that they give off live, and Doug Martsch really does play the guitar like he's got Parkinson's, but my god they sound fantastic live. Bring earplugs, they can be quite loud.
Thanks for the tip. But I'm an old-ass white dude, so earplugs were always part of the plan.

And Martsch probably doesn't have guitar Parkinson's as bad as Pat Metheny.

FIFY

Post by **Sabo** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:02 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:58 pm
Sabo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:57 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:45 pm Sabo, I'd love to see them live again. You're in for a treat. They have a bit of an unaffected by it all attitude that they give off live, and Doug Martsch really does play the guitar like he's got Parkinson's, but my god they sound fantastic live. Bring earplugs, they can be quite loud.
Thanks for the tip. But the Whigs are pretty damn loud too, so earplugs were always part of the plan.

And Martsch probably doesn't have guitar Parkinson's as bad as Pat Metheny.
I'll let you be the judge and report back.

Come one. Metheny plays like he's having the most intense six-minute-long orgasm of all time.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:07 pm

That's certainly orgasmic. If he wants to make that sound, why he doesn't just play the soprano sax?

Not really a perfect example of his stage Parkinson's, but you get the gist.

Post by **Sabo** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:14 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:07 pm That's certainly orgasmic. If he wants to make that sound, why he doesn't just play the soprano sax?

When we meet for the first time, I'm gonna punch you because of this comment.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:25 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:07 pm That's certainly orgasmic. If he wants to make that sound, why he doesn't just play the soprano sax?

Not really a perfect example of his stage Parkinson's, but you get the gist.

At the 20:00 mark of this video, Doug asks the venue staff how much time they have left, says he needs to know so he can figure out what to play, then goes into a 17:00 version of Broken Chairs.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:27 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:43 pm I'd start with Keep It Like a Secret ('99), then probably go to There's Nothing Wrong With Love ('94), then The Normal Years ('96)(B-sides and outtakes album to get you ready for Perfect from Now On ('97), then Ancient Melodies of the Future ('01). If you're still around through all that, I'd go to the newer stuff which is all good, but can be hit or miss, depending on the song.

You Were Right is fantastic (love the callback lyrics), but Else is amazing. It's such a Doug Martsch love song.

I was banking on taking You in Reverse next time around.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:29 pm

Say, this Built To Spill bunch sounds pretty good.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:34 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:27 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:43 pm I'd start with Keep It Like a Secret ('99), then probably go to There's Nothing Wrong With Love ('94), then The Normal Years ('96)(B-sides and outtakes album to get you ready for Perfect from Now On ('97), then Ancient Melodies of the Future ('01). If you're still around through all that, I'd go to the newer stuff which is all good, but can be hit or miss, depending on the song.

You Were Right is fantastic (love the callback lyrics), but Else is amazing. It's such a Doug Martsch love song.
I was banking on taking You in Reverse next time around.

Well, I'm glad I picked when I did. Wasn't sure if BtS was widely known around here.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:42 pm

This is definitely a pick of artist over singular album because any of the last three could be my favorite on a given day ...

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:43 pm

I posted in Spins the other day about how much I loved, "New York". Haven't listened to too much else of hers. Need to fix that.

Where to start?

Post by **brian** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:44 pm

Randy Described Eternity is probably up there amongst my favorite songs of all-time.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:46 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:43 pm I posted in Spins the other day about how much I loved, "New York". Haven't listened to too much else of hers. Need to fix that.

Where to start?

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:47 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:34 pm
EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:27 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:43 pm I'd start with Keep It Like a Secret ('99), then probably go to There's Nothing Wrong With Love ('94), then The Normal Years ('96)(B-sides and outtakes album to get you ready for Perfect from Now On ('97), then Ancient Melodies of the Future ('01). If you're still around through all that, I'd go to the newer stuff which is all good, but can be hit or miss, depending on the song.

You Were Right is fantastic (love the callback lyrics), but Else is amazing. It's such a Doug Martsch love song.
I was banking on taking You in Reverse next time around.
Well, I'm glad I picked when I did. Wasn't sure if BtS was widely known around here.

I love the expansive lo-fi to Built to Spill. I'd drop a comparative blend of two bands that I think aptly describes them, but I might need those arrows.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:51 pm

govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:43 pm I posted in Spins the other day about how much I loved, "New York". Haven't listened to too much else of hers. Need to fix that.

Where to start?

Full albums, I'd go: Strange Mercy (3rd) > St. Vincent (4th) > Masseducation (5th) and then back to the first two. Something seemed to click on the 3rd where it went from good songs to fully good album.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:56 pm

One of BSFGF's favs. I just learned about her when I bought her Masseduction to cheer her up one week. I like it more every listen.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:00 pm

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:27 pm
govmentchedda wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:43 pm I'd start with Keep It Like a Secret ('99), then probably go to There's Nothing Wrong With Love ('94), then The Normal Years ('96)(B-sides and outtakes album to get you ready for Perfect from Now On ('97), then Ancient Melodies of the Future ('01). If you're still around through all that, I'd go to the newer stuff which is all good, but can be hit or miss, depending on the song.

You Were Right is fantastic (love the callback lyrics), but Else is amazing. It's such a Doug Martsch love song.
I was banking on taking You in Reverse next time around.

Forgot how much I liked this one too. Put it on after your post, and it's quite good. The highs aren't as hgh as KILAS or PFNO, in my opinion, but the whole album is great.