2013 NFL Week 7

Scottie · Post by **Scottie** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:06 pm

Just curious . . . anyone know what percentage of kickoffs go for touchbacks? That would be kickoffs unaffected by penalties. Just your regular ol' kickoff. It has to be more than half, no? The other way of looking at that is "what percentage of kickoffs actually get returned?"

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:20 pm

Stats by team

Scottie · Post by **Scottie** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:11 pm

Thanks, Bronto.

Quite a discrepancy between the top and bottom of that table, eh? And if you look back a decade, to 2003, two-thirds of the league was in single digits.

Here's why I asked. The kickoff was moved 5-yards, to the 35, starting in 2011. An upside of this for the league (and I may be deep into tinfoil territory here) is that there are more advertisements now. Nobody replays a touchback; networks go straight to commercial. Although if you click through that table Bronto linked, touchbacks were seemingly on the rise every season anyway.

This is the touchbacks-per-game stats from the same site.

The average price of a 30-second spot on a nationally televised regular season game is around half a mill. Although it can be almost double that. And it is not as if the NFL has a monopoly on expensive commercials slots. The Walking Dead charges tremendous amounts as well.

The NFL plays 256 regular season games. And now has about 4 more touchbacks per game. Rounding off the numbers in this article just to make the math simple, a thousand more touchbacks per season at, say, an extra 90-seconds (or more) of commercial time at half a million per 30-secs, is 1000 * $1,500,000. And the result is why I say it is perhaps tinfoilhatish. Still, even if half of that is more accurate, that's a rather significant revenue increase. Can't blame them. Why linger on a downed player when you could be hawking burgers and trucks?

Something to toss around on a Sunday anyway. Maybe there's even an article in that, if one was so inclined.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:39 pm

Who had Philly/Dallas as a defensive game?

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:13 pm

For a guy who is not a speed or "sick moves" kind of guy, Matt Forte has a sensational jump cut (see 50-yard TD run today when highlights come available for you).

cerrano · Post by **cerrano** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:30 pm

a+'s, apples, and gold stars, dierdorf?

fuck you.

(outside of dierdorf, pats-jets game is pretty entertaining.)

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:45 pm

cerrano wrote:a+'s, apples, and gold stars, dierdorf?

fuck you.

(outside of dierdorf, pats-jets game is pretty entertaining.)

It is entertaining on how many ways the announcers can suck Gino's cock.

howard · Post by **howard** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:17 pm

Stadium PA at the Meadowlands plays Won't Get Fooled Again as Pats take the ball in OT. Apt or Ironic?

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:21 pm

howard wrote:Stadium PA at the Meadowlands plays Won't Get Fooled Again as Pats take the ball in OT. Apt or Ironic?

Also playing a crap load of Jump Around.

howard · Post by **howard** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:35 pm

I have to admit, seeing the Pats get screwed on an obscure rule call doesn't suck.

I didn't get RedZone until last season. I am still enthralled; man it is so awesome.

cerrano · Post by **cerrano** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:59 pm

big ben says "moye please."

Scottie · Post by **Scottie** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:34 pm

Somewhere, fixated eyes pensively contemplating the horizon of a world's ever-shifting possible futures, stands a lone affection-starved goat.

Post by **Sabo** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:09 pm

Knock, knock.

Who's there?

Queen.

Queen who?

Queen out your locker, Brandon Weeden.

- A Twitter post.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:12 pm

Shouldn't it be Clean out your locker, Locker!

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:20 pm

Rush2112 wrote:
cerrano wrote:a+'s, apples, and gold stars, dierdorf?

fuck you.

(outside of dierdorf, pats-jets game is pretty entertaining.)

It is entertaining on how many ways the announcers can suck Gino's cock.

Holy shit man, come on. Do you mute every game when the Pats have the ball?

A neighbor invited me over tonight to watch the Broncos/Colts game (whatever there is of it to see between the QB fellatio, right rush?) and have a couple of beers. Thanks to the Steelers win I don't have to change my shirt.

2 more wins until HaulSomeCitgo reads my posts!!!

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:30 pm

I love it when gamblers bitch about teams taking a knee to run out the clock (in this case the Chiefs didn't cover -6.5 kneeling 3 times on the 1 yr line)

Don't gamblers know anything.. teams always take a knee when the opponent has no timeouts left. Been this way for at least 25 years.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:27 pm

Scottie wrote:Thanks, Bronto.

Quite a discrepancy between the top and bottom of that table, eh? And if you look back a decade, to 2003, two-thirds of the league was in single digits.

Here's why I asked. The kickoff was moved 5-yards, to the 35, starting in 2011. An upside of this for the league (and I may be deep into tinfoil territory here) is that there are more advertisements now. Nobody replays a touchback; networks go straight to commercial. Although if you click through that table Bronto linked, touchbacks were seemingly on the rise every season anyway.

This is the touchbacks-per-game stats from the same site.

The average price of a 30-second spot on a nationally televised regular season game is around half a mill. Although it can be almost double that. And it is not as if the NFL has a monopoly on expensive commercials slots. The Walking Dead charges tremendous amounts as well.

The NFL plays 256 regular season games. And now has about 4 more touchbacks per game. Rounding off the numbers in this article just to make the math simple, a thousand more touchbacks per season at, say, an extra 90-seconds (or more) of commercial time at half a million per 30-secs, is 1000 * $1,500,000. And the result is why I say it is perhaps tinfoilhatish. Still, even if half of that is more accurate, that's a rather significant revenue increase. Can't blame them. Why linger on a downed player when you could be hawking burgers and trucks?

Something to toss around on a Sunday anyway. Maybe there's even an article in that, if one was so inclined.

Touchbacks don't have any correlation with commercials. That's built into the broadcasts, and there's been the TD-Commercial-Kickoff Return-Commercial sequence before, so it just continues. Any replays of a kickoff return would just be added to the actual broadcast length. While the networks would of course in a perfect world want every game to fit in that three hour window, it doesn't happen. As long as each broadcast gets those scripted commercial breaks in, they're good. And they'd be happening without the increase in touchbacks or not

I'd honestly not be opposed to in-game advertising or potential 15-second spots if it would reduce the amount of commercial breaks and get games down to close to three hours, especially college football games. And while I think those things are going to happen sooner rather than later, I'm afraid that it won't be at the expense of standard commercial breaks.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:56 pm

rass wrote:Holy shit man, come on. Do you mute every game when the Pats have the ball?

Really? By the way Dierdorf was talking about him you'd think he was the second coming of Montana, Young, and Manning.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:47 pm

Rush2112 wrote:
rass wrote:Holy shit man, come on. Do you mute every game when the Pats have the ball?
Really? By the way Dierdorf was talking about him you'd think he was the second coming of Montana, Young, and Manning.

Gino Torretta?

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:11 pm

Colts/Broncos is a fantastic game.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:19 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:Gino Torretta?

My tablet doesn't recognize alternate spellings.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:47 pm

If the playoffs started this very second: Denver would be the #5 seed at 6-1 and would start on the road as a Wildcard team against #4 New England.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:44 am

Sabo wrote:Knock, knock.

Who's there?

Queen.

Queen who?

Queen out your locker, Brandon Weeden.

- A Twitter post.

Here's a way to tell if your QB is a disaster - when he actually throws a good pass and the announcers say that he has the tools to succeed...

The way I see it, if a QB makes it as a starter for a major college team, than yes, he has certain tools. But I have seen enough football to know that if a guy looks as ridiculously bad as Weeden does after 20 starts, than he will never be a good QB.

Later on, watching Manning and Luck was so much fun. A great QB makes a fan's life so much better. Honestly, I hope Colts fans know how lucky they are. Their one season of Curtis Painter should allow them to emphasize with the rest of us.

And that Bills win was as great as it was unexpected. Watching the D Line turn it up to win the game was awesome. One of the oddest sights I've seen in a while was the second half in Miami beginning in front of 10,000 fans. The lineups for the washrooms must have been hellacious. Either that or the Heat gave away seats to the game to their season ticket holders.

Post by **Sabo** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:59 am

I think starting Weeden is indefensible at this point. It's painfully obvious he's not an NFL quarterback. He gets rid of the ball way too slow, he stares down his receivers and makes poor decisions. Many of his passes yesterday were so off target the receivers never had a chance to make a play. And even if the ball was catchable, the receivers dropped it more often than not. The Browns have four players on offense who are worth a damn: Josh Gordon, Jordan Cameron, Joe Thomas and Alex Mack. That's it. The rest are trash.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:50 am

The Broncos' O-line is in shambles. On their third center of the season, and both starting tackles are out. If they don't get it improved, Peyton is going to get injured.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:17 am

Sabo wrote:I think starting Weeden is indefensible at this point.

Well it's not like Jason Campbell is that great either. Such a shame that Hoyer got hurt.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:18 am

Rush2112 wrote:
Sabo wrote:I think starting Weeden is indefensible at this point.

Well it's not like Jason Campbell is that great either. Such a shame that Hoyer got hurt.

TEBOW TIME.

kranepool · Post by **kranepool** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:29 am

@ken_rosenthal wrote:Told that Leyland informed #Tigers players after end of ALCS that it was time for someone younger to do the job. He is 68.

Let's hope Coughlin can take the fucking hint.

SportsDoc · Post by **SportsDoc** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:29 am

Watching Reggie Wayne grab right below his knee after non-contact fall on turf screams ACL tear to me. Mark him DONE for the year!

Jermichael Finley still in ICU after being carted off the field yesterday, too. TOAST.

Yesterday was brutal on key injuries, me thinks. As a FF friend of mine likes to say: "My best player tore his SCL." ie: Some Crucial Ligament!

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:41 am

So can anyone explain how exactly the NFL penalizes for pick plays? They were a staple of the Denver offense in the their almost comeback last night.

Is it only illegal when the player setting the pick makes contact with the defensive player and the "pick" is really making the defender run around the other receiver and defender?

Rams Fanny · Post by **Rams Fanny** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:51 am

Bradford done for year. Kellen Clemmons is currently the only other qb on the roster. Tebow rumors surfaced last night but apparently refuted today by team. If you think your team has troubles, bookmark this post and re-read those first three sentences until you feel better. We could trade for Tom Brady and not make the playoffs.

I'll bet Brian Schottenheimer gets killed playing Madden.

kranepool · Post by **kranepool** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:59 am

How much worse can the Bucs get? We're about to find out.

Doug Martin out for the year.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:09 am

Rush2112 wrote:How much worse can my fantasy team get? We're about to find out.

Doug Martin out for the year.

SportsDoc · Post by **SportsDoc** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:29 am

Rush2112 wrote:So can anyone explain how exactly the NFL penalizes for pick plays? They were a staple of the Denver offense in the their almost comeback last night.

Is it only illegal when the player setting the pick makes contact with the defensive player and the "pick" is really making the defender run around the other receiver and defender?

As I understand it: It is OPI when the offending player, while running his route, brings his arms up to his body as if to block, or extends his arms, as if to push off. Otherwise, as I understand it, it is legal, regardless of contact or the rerouting of the defender.

Post by **brian** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:36 am

SportsDoc wrote:
Rush2112 wrote:So can anyone explain how exactly the NFL penalizes for pick plays? They were a staple of the Denver offense in the their almost comeback last night.

Is it only illegal when the player setting the pick makes contact with the defensive player and the "pick" is really making the defender run around the other receiver and defender?
As I understand it: It is OPI when the offending player, while running his route, brings his arms up to his body as if to block, or extends his arms, as if to push off. Otherwise, as I understand it, it is legal, regardless of contact or the rerouting of the defender.

Yeah, it's a difficult call because the other players running routes have the right to space on the field too. The red flag generally involves blocking or making a blocking like move before the ball is delivered to another receiver. If the player setting the "pick" is just running his route and happens to shield the defensive player from making a play, it's essentially legal.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:43 am

brian wrote: If the player setting the "pick" is just running his route and happens to shield the defensive player from making a play, it's essentially legal.

So basically how you design the play and how well you can hide that you are actually blocking and then on top of that a judgement call by the official.

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:57 am

Rush2112 wrote:
brian wrote: If the player setting the "pick" is just running his route and happens to shield the defensive player from making a play, it's essentially legal.
So basically how you design the play and how well you can hide that you are actually blocking and then on top of that a judgement call by the official.

You do know that "pick" plays are really, really common, right?

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:10 pm

Rush2112 wrote:
Rush2112 wrote:How much worse can my fantasy team get? We're about to find out.

Doug Martin out for the year.

Not that much worse if that's a big loss. He's sucked all year in fantasy.

Rush2112 · Post by **Rush2112** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:18 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:
You do know that "pick" plays are really, really common, right?

Yes. But also interesting that the "pick" is rarely called.

Post by **Sabo** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:55 pm

There were five offensive pass interference calls in the Bengals-Lions game. You can add a sixth if you include offsetting penalties. That has to be a record or something.