According to a tally kept by The Washington Post, there have been at least 33 school shootings this year.
Dude left a note saying "I don’t have any friends. I don’t have any family. I’ve never had a girlfriend. I’ve never had a social life. I’ve been an isolated loner my entire life".
I think (and I imagine someone here has said this before) that the availability of ways to avoid real life has to have some kind of effect on these people. If you aren't out there in humanity it would be harder to understand your own situation due to a severe lack of perspective, at a minimum.
And that's a good partial description of teenage angst.
I'm sure that we all had times when we felt like that - or certainly knew kids who felt like that a lot of the time. But the fact that a kid in the depths of that can easily get his hands on weapons is so sickening and maddening.
The man detained in Saturday’s mass shooting at a Colorado Springs nightclub is a 22-year-old city resident who was charged by law enforcement officials last year in connection with a bomb threat in a neighborhood about 15 miles from the scene of the deadly rampage.
The charges against him were dropped...and the records were sealed. How long before we find out he was connected somehow to some local politician or police official?
DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 20, 2022 2:05 pm
The charges against him were dropped...and the records were sealed. How long before we find out he was connected somehow to some local politician or police official?
Richard M. Fierro was at a table in Club Q with his wife, daughter and friends on Saturday, watching a drag show, when the sudden flash of gunfire ripped across the nightclub and instincts forged during four combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan instantly kicked in. Fight back, he told himself, protect your people.
In an interview at his house on Monday, where his wife and daughter were still recovering from injuries, Mr. Fierro, 45, who spent 15 years as an Army officer and left as a major in 2013, according to military records, described charging through the chaos at the club, tackling the gunman and beating him bloody with the gunman’s own gun.
“I don’t know exactly what I did, I just went into combat mode,” Mr. Fierro said, shaking his head as he stood in his driveway, an American flag hanging limp in the freezing air. “I just know I have to kill this guy before he kills us.”
So confusing for Conservatives… Retired military guy took out an active shooter and bludgeoned him with his own gun, but he brought his wife and child to a gay club to watch a drag show (the latest RW outrage). I looked at the brewery website and it’s all about diversity, the wife Latina and a lot of beers with Mexican names or influences and there is mention that the brewery proudly participates in the Pride Parade.
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The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:36 pm
So confusing for Conservatives… Retired military guy took out an active shooter and bludgeoned him with his own gun, but he brought his wife and child to a gay club to watch a drag show (the latest RW outrage). I looked at the brewery website and it’s all about diversity, the wife Latina and a lot of beers with Mexican names or influences and there is mention that the brewery proudly participates in the Pride Parade.
They were there with his daughter and her boyfriend to see a high school friend of theirs perform.
The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:36 pm
So confusing for Conservatives… Retired military guy took out an active shooter and bludgeoned him with his own gun, but he brought his wife and child to a gay club to watch a drag show (the latest RW outrage). I looked at the brewery website and it’s all about diversity, the wife Latina and a lot of beers with Mexican names or influences and there is mention that the brewery proudly participates in the Pride Parade.
They were there with his daughter and her boyfriend to see a high school friend of theirs perform.
The boyfriend was one of the ones murdered.
Oh, fuck. That is horrible! So infuriating that people get gunned down for being who they are. Whether it's race, religion, sexuality or performing in drag... it doesn't affect you, why do you care? OTOH, that kind of hate has to be taught. It's just so sad.
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The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:36 pm
So confusing for Conservatives… Retired military guy took out an active shooter and bludgeoned him with his own gun, but he brought his wife and child to a gay club to watch a drag show (the latest RW outrage). I looked at the brewery website and it’s all about diversity, the wife Latina and a lot of beers with Mexican names or influences and there is mention that the brewery proudly participates in the Pride Parade.
They were there with his daughter and her boyfriend to see a high school friend of theirs perform.
The boyfriend was one of the ones murdered.
Oh, fuck. That is horrible! So infuriating that people get gunned down for being who they are. Whether it's race, religion, sexuality or performing in drag... it doesn't affect you, why do you care? OTOH, that kind of hate has to be taught. It's just so sad.
Republicans and FoxNews have spent the last year or so calling gay/trans people "groomers" and "pedophiles", and now when the inevitable happens, they say "what? You can't pin this on us!".
The man detained in Saturday’s mass shooting at a Colorado Springs nightclub is a 22-year-old city resident who was charged by law enforcement officials last year in connection with a bomb threat in a neighborhood about 15 miles from the scene of the deadly rampage.
The charges against him were dropped...and the records were sealed. How long before we find out he was connected somehow to some local politician or police official?
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — Anderson Lee Aldrich loaded bullets into a Glock pistol and chugged vodka, ominously warning frightened grandparents not to stand in the way of an elaborate plan to stockpile guns, ammo, body armor and a homemade bomb to become “the next mass killer.”
“You guys die today and I’m taking you with me,” they quoted Aldrich as saying. “I’m loaded and ready.”
So began a day of terror Aldrich unleashed in June 2021 that, according to sealed law enforcement documents verified by The Associated Press, brought SWAT teams and the bomb squad to a normally quiet Colorado Springs neighborhood, forced the grandparents to flee for their lives and prompted the evacuation of 10 nearby homes to escape a possible bomb blast. It culminated in a standoff that the then-21-year-old livestreamed on Facebook, showing Aldrich in tactical gear inside the mother’s home and threatening officers outside — “If they breach, I’m a f----ing blow it to holy hell!” — before finally surrendering.
But charges against Aldrich for the actions that day were dropped and there was no effort to seize the person’s weapons under Colorado’s “red flag” law for reasons the district attorney and the sheriff have refused to explain due to the case being sealed. All of it now stands as one of the most glaring missed warnings in America’s sad litany of mass violence because, just a year and a half later, Aldrich was free to carry out the plan to become “the next mass killer.”
Clad in body armor and carrying an AR-15-style rifle, Aldrich entered the Club Q gay nightclub just before midnight on Nov. 19 and opened fire, authorities say, killing five people and wounding 17 others before an Army veteran wrestled the attacker to the ground.
“It makes no sense,” said Jerecho Loveall, a former Club Q dancer who is recovering from a wound to the leg from one of the high-powered rounds. “If they would have taken this more seriously and done their job, the lives we lost, the injuries we sustained and the trauma this community has faced would not have happened.”
“It was absolutely preventable,” said Wyatt Kent, who held the hand of a woman as she bled to death on top of him, and who also lost his partner that night. “Even if charges aren’t filed for a bomb threat, maybe you’re not mentally sound enough to own a firearm.”
Why nothing was done to stop Aldrich since coming onto law enforcement’s radar last year is a question that has haunted this picturesque Rockies city of 480,000 since the shooting, even as loved ones have begun burying the victims and the shuttered Club Q has become a shrine surrounded by hundreds of bouquets, wreaths and rainbow flags.
Criminal defense lawyers with whom AP shared the law enforcement documents say they questioned why charges were not pursued in the 2021 incident given the grandparents’ detailed statements, a tense standoff at the mother’s home and a subsequent house search that found bomb-making materials that Aldrich claimed had enough firepower to blow up an entire police department and a federal building.
The documents were obtained by Colorado Springs TV station KKTV and verified as authentic to AP by a law enforcement official who was not authorized to discuss the sealed case and kept anonymous. Documents also included a judge’s order to jail Aldrich on $1 million bond and a listing by El Paso County District Attorney Michael Allen of seven offenses "committed, or triable,” including three felony counts of kidnapping and two of menacing.
For his part, Allen has repeatedly declined to comment on why those charges didn’t go forward,...[more]
Every time I read more about the 6-year old boy who shot his 1st grade teacher, I just shake my head.
The kid brought his mother's legally owned gun to school, seemingly no altercation before the event, then just pulled it out of his backpack and shot at his teacher. She was hit in the hand and chest, then had the wherewithal to get all of her students out of harm's way. The kid is 6! They can't do anything to him. They're still debating on what, if any, crimes they can charge the mother with.
How do you all get your death notices since I left?
Reaper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:01 pm
Every time I read more about the 6-year old boy who shot his 1st grade teacher, I just shake my head.
The kid brought his mother's legally owned gun to school, seemingly no altercation before the event, then just pulled it out of his backpack and shot at his teacher. She was hit in the hand and chest, then had the wherewithal to get all of her students out of harm's way. The kid is 6! They can't do anything to him. They're still debating on what, if any, crimes they can charge the mother with.
They clearly should charge the teacher with stealing two of his bullets.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
Reaper wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:01 pm
Every time I read more about the 6-year old boy who shot his 1st grade teacher, I just shake my head.
The kid brought his mother's legally owned gun to school, seemingly no altercation before the event, then just pulled it out of his backpack and shot at his teacher. She was hit in the hand and chest, then had the wherewithal to get all of her students out of harm's way. The kid is 6! They can't do anything to him. They're still debating on what, if any, crimes they can charge the mother with.
They clearly should charge the teacher with stealing two of his bullets.
Not to ruin the joke, but to clarify, it was one round that went through her hand and then into her upper chest.
How do you all get your death notices since I left?
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:11 pm
I thought different states had laws about locking up your guns, no?
Yes, and Virginia's are among the weakest according to the AP article:
Gun owners can be prosecuted under a Virginia law that prohibits anyone from recklessly leaving a loaded, unsecured gun in a manner that endangers the life or limb of children under 14. A violation of that law is a misdemeanor, punishable by a maximum jail sentence of one year and a maximum fine of $2,500. Virginia does not have a law that requires unattended guns to be stored in a particular way or a law that requires gun owners to affirmatively lock their weapons.
How do you all get your death notices since I left?
This whole story is just so fucking American. And I just have so many questions.
This is also why the military uses firearms with multiple safeties on it and is told to not load one in the chamber when carrying in a deployed location.
The fact that the parent just left a loaded gun -with a round chambered - unholstered laying around with children present in the home just hurts to think about.
And clearly the kid knew not to squeeze the trigger until he had a target close enough to hit.
It's just so damn tragic.
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The customer with the gun had thrown cash onto the floor as the intruder walked by his booth, collecting money from several patrons. When the attempted robber came back by the booth, walking toward the front door at the restaurant, the customer pulled out his gun and fired.
Stand your ground, right?
Unedited video footage shows he shot Washington four times in quick succession.
Then, after Washington fell to the ground, the customer fired four more times, walking toward his body.
He fired the ninth and final shot standing close to the top half of Washington’s body, the video shows.
Johnnie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:35 pm
This whole story is just so fucking American. And I just have so many questions.
This is also why the military uses firearms with multiple safeties on it and is told to not load one in the chamber when carrying in a deployed location.
The fact that the parent just left a loaded gun -with a round chambered - unholstered laying around with children present in the home just hurts to think about.
And clearly the kid knew not to squeeze the trigger until he had a target close enough to hit.
It's just so damn tragic.
That might be making a bit of a leap. Now, it could come out that his mom told him that or something similar, but the assumption seems implausible to me. 6 year old boys can't hit the toilet with their piss no matter how often they're told.
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
The customer with the gun had thrown cash onto the floor as the intruder walked by his booth, collecting money from several patrons. When the attempted robber came back by the booth, walking toward the front door at the restaurant, the customer pulled out his gun and fired.
Stand your ground, right?
Unedited video footage shows he shot Washington four times in quick succession.
Then, after Washington fell to the ground, the customer fired four more times, walking toward his body.
He fired the ninth and final shot standing close to the top half of Washington’s body, the video shows.
Everyone knows in this situation that you just need to be like a whole bunch of little Fonzies.
Hold on, I'm trying to see if Jack London ever gets this fire built or not.
A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:55 pmThat might be making a bit of a leap. Now, it could come out that his mom told him that or something similar, but the assumption seems implausible to me. 6 year old boys can't hit the toilet with their piss no matter how often they're told.
Fair, but when I read the wound was through the hand and hit her chest, it makes go down that route.
I'm obviously not investigating the scene, but my immediate thought was the teacher saw the gun and put her hand over the front of it when the trigger was squeezed.
I figure the kid has no real ability to aim properly so he waited until the teacher was very, very close.
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A_B wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 1:55 pmThat might be making a bit of a leap. Now, it could come out that his mom told him that or something similar, but the assumption seems implausible to me. 6 year old boys can't hit the toilet with their piss no matter how often they're told.
Fair, but when I read the wound was through the hand and hit her chest, it makes go down that route.
I'm obviously not investigating the scene, but my immediate thought was the teacher saw the gun and put her hand over the front of it when the trigger was squeezed.
I figure the kid has no real ability to aim properly so he waited until the teacher was very, very close.
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I'm as much as a gun control person as you'll find, but I'm having a difficult time getting all that worked up about the Houston "taco shop" shooting. I get that the 9th shot could be seen as "excessive" but he's not a cop and I don't really see what they would be punishing from a strictly legal sense.
Robber is in there waving a gun around. Sounds like the customer with a gun had no idea it was fake. He thought his life, or the life other patrons was in danger. The fact that the guy was moving toward the door is pretty beside the point. Guy could've gotten jumpy and fired off a few rounds on his way out the door.
You can lead a horse to fish, but you can't fish out a horse.
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:48 pm
I'm as much as a gun control person as you'll find, but I'm having a difficult time getting all that worked up about the Houston "taco shop" shooting. I get that the 9th shot could be seen as "excessive" but he's not a cop and I don't really see what they would be punishing from a strictly legal sense.
Robber is in there waving a gun around. Sounds like the customer with a gun had no idea it was fake. He thought his life, or the life other patrons was in danger. The fact that the guy was moving toward the door is pretty beside the point. Guy could've gotten jumpy and fired off a few rounds on his way out the door.
Same. Not psyched about the 9th shot but assuming the robber was already dead at that point. If we're going to have to live in a country awash with firearms this doesn't really move the needle much as far as stuff I'm going to waste time worrying about. It's supposedly supposed to be a deterrent to committing violent crimes with firearms when any Tom, Dick or Harry can be also be carrying, so not so sure I wouldn't mind this story getting a bit wider play.
Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 2:48 pm
I'm as much as a gun control person as you'll find, but I'm having a difficult time getting all that worked up about the Houston "taco shop" shooting. I get that the 9th shot could be seen as "excessive" but he's not a cop and I don't really see what they would be punishing from a strictly legal sense.
Robber is in there waving a gun around. Sounds like the customer with a gun had no idea it was fake. He thought his life, or the life other patrons was in danger. The fact that the guy was moving toward the door is pretty beside the point. Guy could've gotten jumpy and fired off a few rounds on his way out the door.
From a practical standpoint I agree. I imagine adrenaline is running high in that situation, and I can't judge how someone reacts. I can totally understand that if you deem you need to shoot in self defense, I can understand firing off an extra 6 or 7 rounds in the moment. I imagine you'd be scared and want to make sure the threat is eliminated. While the final execution style shot sounds bad in a sterile vacuum, I can understand having that reaction.
From a legal standpoint, (not sure about Texas law), it's usually not considered self defense unless there is an immediate threat. An armed robber walking out the door with his back turned is not going to be considered an imminent threat (in most states). As for the gun being fake, as long as the shooter reasonably believed it was real, that should be irrelevant.
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The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:35 pmAn armed robber walking out the door with his back turned is not going to be considered an imminent threat (in most states).
I think this is the biggest issue. Shooting someone as retaliation for a robbery isn't legally justified. On the other hand, once a defendant raises a self-defense defense, the prosecution has to disprove the defense beyond a reasonable doubt. At least, that's the traditional rule, and pro-life places like Texas love to make it easier to justify killing people in self-defense.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:35 pmAn armed robber walking out the door with his back turned is not going to be considered an imminent threat (in most states).
I think this is the biggest issue. Shooting someone as retaliation for a robbery isn't legally justified. On the other hand, once a defendant raises a self-defense defense, the prosecution has to disprove the defense beyond a reasonable doubt. At least, that's the traditional rule, and pro-life places like Texas love to make it easier to justify killing people in self-defense.
Yep. Pretty sure in Florida you are required to shoot the robber in that scenario.
An honest to God cult of personality - formed around a failed steak salesman.
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The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:35 pmAn armed robber walking out the door with his back turned is not going to be considered an imminent threat (in most states).
I think this is the biggest issue. Shooting someone as retaliation for a robbery isn't legally justified. On the other hand, once a defendant raises a self-defense defense, the prosecution has to disprove the defense beyond a reasonable doubt. At least, that's the traditional rule, and pro-life places like Texas love to make it easier to justify killing people in self-defense.
Yep. Pretty sure in Florida you are required to shoot the robber in that scenario.
It does feel like we've taken the castle doctrine this far down here.
Until everything is less insane, I'm mixing weed with wine.
