To the extent it comes up: Trump crap post-WH years

[brian]

Hillary did so I can too is not quite the legal defense he thinks it is (beyond the obvious that Hillary didn’t do that)

[EdRomero]

Beyond the criminality, hearing these candid talks shows how much of a fucking moron he is and how despisable the staffer talking to him is. I still can't get over that this shithead was president.

[Steve of phpBB]

Beyond the criminality, hearing these candid talks shows how much a fucking moron is and how despisable the staffer talking to him is. I still can't get over that this shithead was president.

And even worse, so many knowledgeable and respectable people voted for him. At least in 2016.

[Steve of phpBB]

If you haven’t done it, I highly recommend listening to the recording. He’s so done.

[EdRomero]

If you haven’t done it, I highly recommend listening to the recording. He’s so done.

But Hunter...

[mister d]

And even worse, so many knowledgeable and respectable people voted for him. At least in 2016.

Knowledge *or* respectable. Can’t be both.

[EnochRoot]

Yeah the pile of poop I see numerous swampers stepping into is based on the fact RW voters watch fantasy news.

[Johnnie]

Our government doesn't have the balls to put this man in prison. He's free right now to run amok and play victim when he's done enough shit to warrant being treated like a terrorist at GITMO.

And if you don't think his lackey judge is going to fuck up everything she can to make sure he gets off, you're kidding yourself.

[sancarlos]

[Steve of phpBB]

She also said in her ruling that she wasn’t sure DOJ needed to file the list at all. So under her ruling the list would stay secret.

[Steve of phpBB]

And even worse, so many knowledgeable and respectable people voted for him. At least in 2016.

Knowledge *or* respectable. Can’t be both.

Good point.

[cerranoredux]

[DaveInSeattle]

[Pruitt IV]

Grand jury indicts Donald Trump for alleged 2020 election conspiracies

Honest to God - who still supports this piece of human filth?

(rhetorical, I know)

[Johnnie]

Literally every Republican. They think it's all bullshit.

It's honestly rich and powerful privilege that this guy isn't rotting in jail in the meantime.

He's never going to prison and him being able to do anything means these indictments don't mean anything.

ETA

There are 6 co-conspirators. All not named, but described:

[+] spoiler

Co-Conspirator 1: An attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant’s 2020 re-election campaign attorneys would not.

Co-Conspirator 2: An attorney who devised and attempted to implement a strategy to leverage the Vice President’s ceremonial role overseeing certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential election.

Co-Conspirator 3: An attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded “crazy.” Nonetheless, the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3’s disinformation.

Co-Conspirator 4: A Justice Department official who worked on civil matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.

Co-Conspirator 5: An attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.

Co-Conspirator 6: A political consultant who helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding.

[DaveInSeattle]

Oh, just toying with the idea of a military backed coup....nothing to see here...

[GoodKarma]

Co-Conspirator 5 I'm guessing is John Eastman who I still can't believe CU Boulder had in as a guest lecturer. I'm hoping one of the other's is Jenna Ellis...another piece of trash coming out of Weld County, CO.

[Ryan]

Broncos Country: Let’s Indict

[DaveInSeattle]

Co-Conspirator 5 I'm guessing is John Eastman who I still can't believe CU Boulder had in as a guest lecturer. I'm hoping one of the other's is Jenna Ellis...another piece of trash coming out of Weld County, CO.

The WaPost has the breakdown/speculation here: Here are the Trump co-conspirators described in the DOJ indictment

1. Rudy Guiliani

• John Eastman

• Sidney Powell

• Jeffrey Clark

• Kenneth Chesebro

• A political consultant

My guess on #6 is Roger Stone.

[Johnnie]

These people need to fucking burn, man.

I swear to Christ we will fall to this authoritarian bullshit if nothing comes of this.

[The Sybian]

So much of this indictment is so unbelievably stupid! How did these idiots ever succeed in life? I would love to see Rudy and the rest of them indicted too. Will Trump’s Super PAC pay their legal bills too?

[DaveInSeattle]

A new candidate for co-conspirator #6: Ginni Thomas! Now that would be delicious...

[TankFarm2023]

A new candidate for co-conspirator #6: Ginni Thomas! Now that would be delicious...

Olberman guessing it's shitbird Bernie Kerik, which would also be delicious

[DaveInSeattle]

I'd still like to know who the Republican clown was that gave this quote to the Post 2 years ago:

‘What’s the downside for humoring him?’: A GOP official’s unintentionally revealing quote about the Trump era

Speaking about President Trump’s and his legal team’s myriad and baseless claims of massive voter fraud, an anonymous senior Republican official offered a rhetorical shrug.

“What is the downside for humoring him for this little bit of time? No one seriously thinks the results will change,” the official said. “He went golfing this weekend. It’s not like he’s plotting how to prevent Joe Biden from taking power on Jan. 20. He’s tweeting about filing some lawsuits, those lawsuits will fail, then he’ll tweet some more about how the election was stolen, and then he’ll leave.”

[Johnnie]

I mean, what are they going to do? Storm the Capitol?

[Brontoburglar]

The Rudy harassment lawsuit will make you want to wretch in horror, and the transcripts of her audio recordings are somehow even more gross

entire lawsuit (it even contains a screenshot from the borat movie as a visual reference)

[L-Jam3]

All your tits are belong to me.

[Nonlinear FC]

(Not for nothing, and of course he's disgusting piece of shit, but... I find it a little difficult sympathizing with her after seeing scores of photos with her yucking it up in numerous photos with Ivanka, the Brothers Idiot and a whole host of fucking awful people in Trumpland. I hope she sues him for all he's worth (what is that at this point?), but she sure seems to have sold her soul to the devil and, what, now that he's fully disgraced it's time to say something?

A lot of these enablers need to do some real introspection. Our country is a heartbeat away from turning into a fascist regime and all these assholes in this orbit are complicit.)

[The Sybian]

(Not for nothing, and of course he's disgusting piece of shit, but... I find it a little difficult sympathizing with her after seeing scores of photos with her yucking it up in numerous photos with Ivanka, the Brothers Idiot and a whole host of fucking awful people in Trumpland. I hope she sues him for all he's worth (what is that at this point?), but she sure seems to have sold her soul to the devil and, what, now that he's fully disgraced it's time to say something?

A lot of these enablers need to do some real introspection. Our country is a heartbeat away from turning into a fascist regime and all these assholes in this orbit are complicit.)

I will always have sympathy for victims of sexual harassment in the workplace, and I've interviewed dozens of women who failed to speak up for years for a variety of reasons, and I will never judge their decisions. OTOH, if you take a job with Rudy Guiliani, you have to expect an enormous level of sleaze. Sexual harassment, being asked to lie in court documents, not get paid (she alleges he owes her $1 million in unpaid wages), and basically everything you do will be illegal and/or immoral and for all the wrong purposes. I also read that she claimed back in 2018 or 2019 that she was in a consensual sexual relationship with Rudy. Prior consent doesn't negate the claim of sexual harassment, but it does make me lose respect for her.

[Nonlinear FC]

Right. I felt a little gross typing that, but I kind of felt compelled to put it out there. It's roughly equivalent to going to work for a mobster or a drug cartel. Unless you are just incredibly naive and did ZERO research on the man. And if you stuck around him in 2019 and 2020 and watched what he did from close range?

I mean, kind of fuck you lady?

[L-Jam3]

I have about as much sympathy for this woman as I do for Trump voters who lost loved ones to Covid.

[DaveInSeattle]

Since I'm not a lawyer, I'm finding the annotated version of the indictment done by the NY Times very enlightening. Here's a gift link so you don't have to have an account to read it: The Trump Jan. 6 Indictment, Annotated

[Johnnie]

2 things can be true at the same time.

I'm horrified that she endured that, but I completely shrug when she knowingly decided to leave home and join ISIS.

[Ryan]

Since I'm not a lawyer, I'm finding the annotated version of the indictment done by the NY Times very enlightening. Here's a gift link so you don't have to have an account to read it: The Trump Jan. 6 Indictment, Annotated

Thanks. This is the highlight, somehow

The speaker of the Arizona House at the time, Rusty Bowers, is a conservative Republican but resisted Mr. Trump’s attempt to persuade him to subvert the election. He was later awarded the John F. Kennedy Profile in Courage Award for that action, which ended his political career: Last year, the state Republican Party censured him for his resistance, and he was overwhelmingly defeated in a primary election for State Senate.

[Ryan]

Also, every time they cite one of Trump's "tweets" instead of "xeets" it really brings me back.

[A_B]

[cerranoredux]

[DaveInSeattle]

Gotta a question about this...

Trump plans to use charges to revisit 2020 election, a fraught topic for GOP

Former president Donald Trump and some of his legal advisers see an upside to the latest criminal case against him: He can use his upcoming trial to further argue his false claims of a stolen 2020 election.

The looming courtroom showdown is poised to push his insistence that election fraud occurred in 2020 toward the center of the 2024 presidential campaign, a dismaying prospect for Republicans and some of Trump’s advisers who have urged him to stop belaboring that subject. Trump’s defense team has signaled that they’ll focus on rebutting prosecutors’ allegations that Trump knew his fraud claims were false.

Now, I'm not a lawyer, but if the defense attorneys start going down the road of trying to show "evidence" that the 2020 election was stolen, couldn't the Judge say that's already been litigated in other courts, and is not material to these charges?

[The Sybian]

Gotta a question about this...

Trump plans to use charges to revisit 2020 election, a fraught topic for GOP

Former president Donald Trump and some of his legal advisers see an upside to the latest criminal case against him: He can use his upcoming trial to further argue his false claims of a stolen 2020 election.

The looming courtroom showdown is poised to push his insistence that election fraud occurred in 2020 toward the center of the 2024 presidential campaign, a dismaying prospect for Republicans and some of Trump’s advisers who have urged him to stop belaboring that subject. Trump’s defense team has signaled that they’ll focus on rebutting prosecutors’ allegations that Trump knew his fraud claims were false.

Now, I'm not a lawyer, but if the defense attorneys start going down the road of trying to show "evidence" that the 2020 election was stolen, couldn't the Judge say that's already been litigated in other courts, and is not material to these charges?

I heard a reporter ask that of one of Trumps 100s of personal lawyers, and the response was that they never litigated the issue in the 60-something cases, as they were all thrown out on standing. That's factually incorrect, of course, but in many of the cases, it was thrown out for failing to provide any evidence. They could argue that the none of the cases were ever tried on the merits.

[Rex]

As a criminal defendant, he’s going to have pretty wide latitude to put on evidence. I would think he needs to show some connection to his state of mind in the moment, however.