Roger Godell's Terrible No Good Bad (Infinity) - the whoopin

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:04 pm

Oh my god...

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagre ... 1633593081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What the fuck is going on?

Post by **brian** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:08 pm

Jerloma wrote:Oh my god...

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagre ... 1633593081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What the fuck is going on?

"We here at ESPN would like to continue airing NFL football games, so as a result we badgered one of our analysts into soft shoeing his opinion on the NFL's incompetence."

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:08 pm

This is magic.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:10 pm

Jerloma wrote:To date, is this the worst answer to a question that anyone has ever provided?

Your fucking question didn't even make it an hour.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:11 pm

brian wrote:
Jerloma wrote:Oh my god...

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagre ... 1633593081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What the fuck is going on?
"We here at ESPN would like to continue airing NFL football games, so as a result we badgered one of our analysts into soft shoeing his opinion on the NFL's incompetence."

But it was 21 minutes later. The only way to not get caught is for nobody to ever watch ESPN News for 21 straight minutes. How the fuck do these people even sleep at night?

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:12 pm

Jerloma wrote:
brian wrote:
Jerloma wrote:Oh my god...

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagre ... 1633593081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What the fuck is going on?
"We here at ESPN would like to continue airing NFL football games, so as a result we badgered one of our analysts into soft shoeing his opinion on the NFL's incompetence."
But it was 21 minutes later. The only way to not get caught is for nobody to ever watch ESPN News for 21 straight minutes. How the fuck do these people even sleep at night?

I don't think I've ever watched ESPNews for that long in a row.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:13 pm

Jerloma wrote:How the fuck do these people even sleep at night?

"In a coked out haze, usually next to prostitute."

Jerloma wrote:How the fuck do these people even sleep at night?

"Next to my wife. We're usually in bed by 10:00 each night. So boring!"

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:14 pm

Me neither, but somebody has to, right?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:21 pm

I'm not trying to kick up a message board feud, sancarlos, but THIS IS WHY I'M SO FUCKING CYNICAL!

That is fucking STUNNING. I don't think I've ever seen anything that blatant.

Holy Shit.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:26 pm

Leave it to Fox to find a woman worse than Ann Coulter.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:27 pm

mister d wrote:Seems somewhat appropriate that I love the Rangers no-risk signing of Ryan Malone, huh?

Victimless crime. I don't really care who's doing recreational drugs. You're cool on this one.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:30 pm

Anyone up to decoding Polian's blinks?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:34 pm

You know what else is really telling/important in those two clips: Mcendry's lead-in question. Not just the wording, but her tone. In the first, she's straight up incredulous... In the second, she's downshifted significantly into more skeptically curious.

Seriously, go check it out. VERY telling at to how they were framed.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:37 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:You know what else is really telling/important in those two clips: Mcendry's lead-in question. Not just the wording, but her tone. In the first, she's straight up incredulous... In the second, she's downshifted significantly into more skeptically curious.

Seriously, go check it out. VERY telling at to how they were framed.

Definitely.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:12 pm

It was all Janay's fault.

After Goodell suspended Rice for two games in July, this person said, Goodell told several NFL owners that he felt it would have been insensitive to question Janay Rice's story because it would have come across as an indictment of her character. Two people familiar with the commissioner's thinking, including the owner, said they believe the thoroughness of the investigation, and Goodell's decision to suspend Rice for two games, both reflected Goodell's discomfort with challenging Janay Rice's story.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:36 pm

We should make a stand and not watch tonight.

A) Thursday night games suck anyways and it's a fucking stupid idea.

B) NFL making too much money on these stupid ideas and becoming arrogant.

C) Goodell hasn't been fired yet.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:43 pm

tennbengal wrote:Check Passan on Wilpon.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mlb-can-ta ... 09001.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Harassed an executive "because he didn't agree with her pregnancy." I wish I knew that option was available when I knocked an ex up.

phxgators · Post by **phxgators** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:08 pm

rass wrote:It was all Janay's fault.

After Goodell suspended Rice for two games in July, this person said, Goodell told several NFL owners that he felt it would have been insensitive to question Janay Rice's story because it would have come across as an indictment of her character. Two people familiar with the commissioner's thinking, including the owner, said they believe the thoroughness of the investigation, and Goodell's decision to suspend Rice for two games, both reflected Goodell's discomfort with challenging Janay Rice's story.

They just keep throwing different shit against the wall, hoping something will stick.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:09 pm

My wife was disgusted in me and giving me shit after I let it slip that I had drafted Ray Rice in my money fantasy league. I had to explain to her that I'd pick up Charlie Manson if he caught passes out of the backfield. But, to placate her, today I said that because I've now seen the video, I could officially suspended Rice indefinitely.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:52 pm

Jerloma wrote:Oh my god...

http://deadspin.com/bill-polian-disagre ... 1633593081" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What the fuck is going on?

Is there a glitch in the matrix? WTF??

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:38 pm

Seriously...this is what the Y2K crowd told us would happen.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:45 pm

oh boy

Ray Rice told Goodell he hit fiancee'

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:12 pm

degenerasian wrote:oh boy

Ray Rice told Goodell he hit fiancee'

Now, wait wait wait... We've got enough on this guy to not start doing what they are doing. He didn't mean it was ambiguous if he hit her not, he definitely told Goodell that he hit her... The ambiguity was around WHY he hit her, and the clear implication was that he did it in self-defense.

Now, we can all vibe that Goodell is straight up lying about what he saw and/or what he knew. But Rice told the Commissioner, as did Janay, that she CHARGED him and that allowed Goodell the ambiguity angle.

So, fucking hell. This shit needs flow charts just to keep up the lying about lies. 3D Chess.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:53 pm

degenerasian wrote:We should make a stand and not watch tonight.

A) Thursday night games suck anyways and it's a fucking stupid idea.

B) NFL making too much money on these stupid ideas and becoming arrogant.

C) Goodell hasn't been fired yet.

I would, but since we aren't a Nielsen family, it'd make no difference anyway.

Besides, I have $25 on the Steelers.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:18 pm

Olbermann still crushing it...

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:24 am

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:29 am

Venn diagram of male Ravens fans who would proudly wear a Rice jersey last night and male Ravens fans who would proudly wear the jersey of a player who came out as gay.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:48 am

I'd be curious as to how many NFL fans are actually concerned about the actual domestic abuse aspect of this vs:

1) OMG the league punishments are inconsistent!
2) I hate the Ravens.
3) Goodell wronged my team once so this is a good opportunity to stick it to him.

I'm guessing not terribly high.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:02 am

P.D.X. wrote:I'd be curious as to how many NFL fans are actually concerned about the actual domestic abuse aspect of this vs:

1) OMG the league punishments are inconsistent!
2) I hate the Ravens.
3) Goodell wronged my team once so this is a good opportunity to stick it to him.

I'm guessing not terribly high.

My first reaction was that it would be pretty high.

I'll maintain that reasons #2 and #3 would not influence too many, but thinking it through, I think that #1, definitely would.

But still, I do think it's close to a majority.

As I was typing, I remembered the Leonard Little story. Drunk driving, killed a woman - 8 game suspension.

Came back to the league, had a decent career and made some good money.

2004 drunk driving conviction again - no suspension.

Relatively speaking, there was very little outrage. So in Godell's defence, maybe he was following league protocol on how to deal with this type of person.

P.D.X. · Post by **P.D.X.** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:16 am

Pruitt wrote:
P.D.X. wrote:I'd be curious as to how many NFL fans are actually concerned about the actual domestic abuse aspect of this vs:

1) OMG the league punishments are inconsistent!
2) I hate the Ravens.
3) Goodell wronged my team once so this is a good opportunity to stick it to him.

I'm guessing not terribly high.
My first reaction was that it would be pretty high.

I'll maintain that reasons #2 and #3 would not influence too many, but thinking it through, I think that #1, definitely would.

But still, I do think it's close to a majority.

As I was typing, I remembered the Leonard Little story. Drunk driving, killed a woman - 8 game suspension.

Came back to the league, had a decent career and made some good money.

2004 drunk driving conviction again - no suspension.

Relatively speaking, there was very little outrage. So in Godell's defence, maybe he was following league protocol on how to deal with this type of person.

I guess I'm just in the Mr D camp that the NFL will get a very wide berth for shitty behavior before the fans will actually alter consumption. Nachos will still be had. Bud Light still quaffed. Fantasy teams still agonized over. This isn't even a blip on the radar.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:21 am

Holy shit did I have some arguments over Leonard Little.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:47 am

http://deadspin.com/nfl-team-security-j ... 1633949476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

sigh

Edit to add: Biscotti (or however you spell it) was on the pregame last night LYING HIS ASS OFF, using the same bullshit "we tried to get the tape and were told it's illegal, so we stopped."

Fuck you sleezeball. God that guy looks like a mobster, like, right out of central casting.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:07 am

Man. The hits just keep on coming.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:22 am

What is striking to me, in the last few days, is that every time the NFL says something, 3 or more unnamed sources turn up in an article calling bullshit.

Think about it from the perspective of someone in the security department, these guys have egos and they are basically being scapegoated and embarrassed by the league over and over and over again.

Fuck that, says unnamed source... We can get any tape we want.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:49 am

Now that some time has passed, are we allowed to comment on the quality, timing and accuracy of that check hook? Ive got to believe more than a few folks have been touched by that one. Looked very reflexive to me.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:22 pm

P.D.X. wrote:I'd be curious as to how many NFL fans are actually concerned about the actual domestic abuse aspect of this vs:

1) OMG the league punishments are inconsistent!
2) I hate the Ravens.
3) Goodell wronged my team once so this is a good opportunity to stick it to him.

I'm guessing not terribly high.

I'm completely blown away that the commissioner of the NFL and possibly the Ravens brass would so blatantly and without remorse try to cover up what I consider to a reprehensible act by Ray Rice. Is this not showing concern over the domestic abuse aspect of it? I mean, the guy hit a girl so hard that she left her feet and got knocked out cold. Do we really need to talk about how awful that is? Should we be like those people that try to make themselves look morally superior after a mass shooting because "OMG can you believe that! I would never do that!" completely missing that to make themselves look morally superior they have to compare themselves to a serial killer?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:28 pm

Jerloma wrote:
P.D.X. wrote:I'd be curious as to how many NFL fans are actually concerned about the actual domestic abuse aspect of this vs:

1) OMG the league punishments are inconsistent!
2) I hate the Ravens.
3) Goodell wronged my team once so this is a good opportunity to stick it to him.

I'm guessing not terribly high.
I'm completely blown away that the commissioner of the NFL and possibly the Ravens brass would so blatantly and without remorse try to cover up what I consider to a reprehensible act by Ray Rice. Is this not showing concern over the domestic abuse aspect of it? I mean, the guy hit a girl so hard that she left her feet and got knocked out cold. Do we really need to talk about how awful that is? Should we be like those people that try to make themselves look morally superior after a mass shooting because "OMG can you believe that! I would never do that!" completely missing that to make themselves look morally superior they have to compare themselves to a serial killer?

They actually thought it would never come out. And hey Ray Rice sells jerseys. Even now somebody is selling BE NICE 27 jerseys.
And people still watched last night. Not an empty seat in that stadium. What is the NFL losing?

Most people are like "Fuck Goodell and the Ravens, what a bunch of fucking liars! Oh shit, I better eat something before the game starts!"

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:32 pm

degenerasian wrote:
Jerloma wrote:
P.D.X. wrote:I'd be curious as to how many NFL fans are actually concerned about the actual domestic abuse aspect of this vs:

1) OMG the league punishments are inconsistent!
2) I hate the Ravens.
3) Goodell wronged my team once so this is a good opportunity to stick it to him.

I'm guessing not terribly high.
I'm completely blown away that the commissioner of the NFL and possibly the Ravens brass would so blatantly and without remorse try to cover up what I consider to a reprehensible act by Ray Rice. Is this not showing concern over the domestic abuse aspect of it? I mean, the guy hit a girl so hard that she left her feet and got knocked out cold. Do we really need to talk about how awful that is? Should we be like those people that try to make themselves look morally superior after a mass shooting because "OMG can you believe that! I would never do that!" completely missing that to make themselves look morally superior they have to compare themselves to a serial killer?
They actually thought it would never come out. And hey Ray Rice sells jerseys. Even now somebody is selling BE NICE 27 jerseys.
And people still watched last night. Not an empty seat in that stadium. What is the NFL losing?

Most people are like "Fuck Goodell and the Ravens, what a bunch of fucking liars! Oh shit, I better eat something before the game starts!"

Ummm...if they lose their commissioner, they can get a commissioner that doesn't think smoking weed is worse than knocking a woman out cold in an elevator.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:45 pm

Most people are like "Fuck Goodell and the Ravens, what a bunch of fucking liars! Oh shit, I better eat something before the game starts!"

Oh...we're doing the "If you still watch the NFL then you don't care about domestic violence" thing? You really wanna climb up on that high horse, Degen?

Here's a question...what's the % of people who think they're morally superior because they're boycotting the NFL already didn't really care about the NFL? 99?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:46 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:
degenerasian wrote:oh boy

Ray Rice told Goodell he hit fiancee'

Now, wait wait wait... We've got enough on this guy to not start doing what they are doing. He didn't mean it was ambiguous if he hit her not, he definitely told Goodell that he hit her... The ambiguity was around WHY he hit her, and the clear implication was that he did it in self-defense.

Now, we can all vibe that Goodell is straight up lying about what he saw and/or what he knew. But Rice told the Commissioner, as did Janay, that she CHARGED him and that allowed Goodell the ambiguity angle.

So, fucking hell. This shit needs flow charts just to keep up the lying about lies. 3D Chess.

Now I understand where the Ray Rice camp was coming from on the "He told the commish what went down" stuff yesterday: http://deadspin.com/the-nfl-finally-exp ... 1634008557" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NFL is NOW saying that the reason they suspended him indefinitely was because he wasn't forthcoming in his meeting with the Commissioner.

Fuck it. Theater of the absurd at this point.