Roger Godell's Terrible No Good Bad (Infinity) - the whoopin

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:38 am

If I could Yuengling out here, I'd have some in my beer fridge at all times (the only beer afforded that honor right now is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, though Miller Lite is usually in there 90-95 percent of the time. I'd much rather drink Yuengling than Miller Lite if I'm going to be crushing 14-16 beers on a football day.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:38 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:I have an irrational personal attachment to Yuengling. I've had it twice, both times in airport bars, not long after I broke a longstanding stretch of teetotaling (long story) and when I was still on the fence over whether I would like this whole beer thing at all. Yuengling single-handedly restored my confidence in beer, and remains the best mass-produced American lager I've had (know that's not a tall order, but still). I'd probably pay two or three times what it's worth to get it where I live.

From what I've seen of Deadspin's beer rankings, apparently the way to make a beer they actually like is to fill a jar two-thirds of the way with hops and the rest with vinegar at let it stew for three years.

I'd say Sam Adams Boston Lager is the best mass produced beer (if it counts as mass produced), and only if it is fresh. I've had way more of my share of skunky SABL.

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:39 am

And sorry for the threadjack. Back to (deservedly) lambasting Goodell.

Post by **Sabo** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:40 am

rass wrote:
howard wrote:A combination of the conceits and corruptions of wealth, and the failure of most organizational structures, I suppose.
Apparently, those are called "silos". Who knew?

Both "silos" and "stakeholders" are my least favorite business jargon. I wanted to punch one of our executives once because he would not stop saying "stakeholder". Hey asshole, try using the word "people" for a change.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:41 am

Jerloma wrote:
mister d wrote:Probably because metal has a bit more of a smell than glass?
Are you being facetious? I don't know how that's applicable.

He's being facetious.

I've been told, and I agree, that beer is best when poured from a can into a glass. The can keeps out skunk inducing light (beer is alive, light kills it), but drinking from the can means that some of the aluminum (the portion that is otherwise untouched by a sealed beer can, but can be touched after opening, i.e. that slim portion of aluminum after its opened) is not coated with the same protection that the inner lining of the can has. Therefore, if drinking from a can or glass bottle, your best bet for taste is beer poured from a can into a glass.

Steve of phpBB · Post by **Steve of phpBB** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:42 am

Sabo wrote:
rass wrote:
howard wrote:A combination of the conceits and corruptions of wealth, and the failure of most organizational structures, I suppose.
Apparently, those are called "silos". Who knew?
Both "silos" and "stakeholders" are my least favorite business jargon. I wanted to punch one of our executives once because he would not stop saying "stakeholder". Hey asshole, try using the word "people" for a change.

If you punched one of the stakeholders in the silo, wouldn't that disrupt the paradigm?

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:42 am

brian wrote:If I could Yuengling out here, I'd have some in my beer fridge at all times (the only beer afforded that honor right now is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, though Miller Lite is usually in there 90-95 percent of the time. I'd much rather drink Yuengling than Miller Lite if I'm going to be crushing 14-16 beers on a football day.

Right. Just to be clear, there are beers I like better than Yeungling (Newcastle, Bass, Porkslap, Carib, Red Stripe), just not beers that cost 18 dollars a case.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:43 am

howard wrote:
HaulCitgo wrote:But it is apparent that these guys aren't equipped for this.
These guys are not that smart. I include the owners by and large in this assessment. What is obvious from their conduct is clouded by the massive, overwhelming delusion that wealth = intelligence. This popular delusion has worsened tremendously over the past couple of decades (along with the worsening worship of money and the financialization of everything in our society.)

Leaving aside the owners for a moment, just looking at league and team officials. The more they are paid, the more intelligent they are assumed to be. In spite of the copious evidence to the contrary. From Goodell on down. These people are mediocrities, as their behavior clearly demonstrates.

Decades ago, I saw this up close, when I worked for The League as a lowly security guard. The men surrounding Rozelle were not too smart. The next level down tended to be the bright ones; somehow they didn't migrate to the top nearly as often as merit would predict. I've come to see this as typical for large organizations, private and public. A combination of the conceits and corruptions of wealth, and the failure of most organizational structures, I suppose.

Duh. The Pete Principle.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:44 am

Sabo wrote:
rass wrote:
howard wrote:A combination of the conceits and corruptions of wealth, and the failure of most organizational structures, I suppose.
Apparently, those are called "silos". Who knew?
Both "silos" and "stakeholders" are my least favorite business jargon. I wanted to punch one of our executives once because he would not stop saying "stakeholder". Hey asshole, try using the word "people" for a change.

that guy doesn't sound like a very good thought leader to me

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:45 am

Jerloma wrote:Dude, can't you like spit and hit Massachusetts from Portsmouth?

They have it in Mass now? I only check the local stores. If so, thanks for the heads up, though going from NH to Mass to buy alcohol is the opposite of what everyone does.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:51 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:
Jerloma wrote:Dude, can't you like spit and hit Massachusetts from Portsmouth?
They have it in Mass now? I only check the local stores. If so, thanks for the heads up, though going from NH to Mass to buy alcohol is the opposite of what everyone does.

Sort of like going back to Yuengling after trying other beers. /orangesincesomeofyouaregettingpunchyinhere

Post by **Sabo** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:53 am

Steve of phpBB wrote:
Sabo wrote:
rass wrote:
howard wrote:A combination of the conceits and corruptions of wealth, and the failure of most organizational structures, I suppose.
Apparently, those are called "silos". Who knew?
Both "silos" and "stakeholders" are my least favorite business jargon. I wanted to punch one of our executives once because he would not stop saying "stakeholder". Hey asshole, try using the word "people" for a change.
If you punched one of the stakeholders in the silo, wouldn't that disrupt the paradigm?

I could only hope.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:53 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:
Jerloma wrote:Dude, can't you like spit and hit Massachusetts from Portsmouth?
They have it in Mass now? I only check the local stores. If so, thanks for the heads up, though going from NH to Mass to buy alcohol is the opposite of what everyone does.

Yeah. Came to Mass about 6 months ago, then RI in June, Connecticut next. Should be in NH soon enough.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:57 am

Jerloma wrote:
mister d wrote:Probably because metal has a bit more of a smell than glass?
Are you being facetious? I don't know how that's applicable.

I was. Yuengling tastes and smells gross so any other smell interfering would be a positive. Any actual science here is luck.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:59 am

It is weird that one of the best DIPAs (Heady Topper) instructs you to drink from the can? I've done both, to no change, but I wonder if its just aesthetics because of all the floaty stuff.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:07 am

Jerloma wrote:
brian wrote:If I could Yuengling out here, I'd have some in my beer fridge at all times (the only beer afforded that honor right now is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, though Miller Lite is usually in there 90-95 percent of the time. I'd much rather drink Yuengling than Miller Lite if I'm going to be crushing 14-16 beers on a football day.
Right. Just to be clear, there are beers I like better than Yeungling (Newcastle, Bass, Porkslap, Carib, Red Stripe), just not beers that cost 18 dollars a case.

Serious question, have you ever tried a good beer? I've never had Porkslap, but the rest of those are all horrible beers.

I think that Deadspin post nailed it. Yuengling is better than all of it's direct competitors (price wise) like Coors, Bud, Keystone... but not much. Like the author said, nobody is going to fight to say that Bud Light is a good beer. I put Shiner in exactly the same boat. Around here, Yeungling is the same price as the cheapest beers in the store. Given the choice, I'd take Yeungling every time. But it is still a bad beer. With kids, I just don't see the days of me pounding 15 beers being relived very often. If I went to get drunk, I'll drink 3 really good high ABV beers, and get the same amount of alcohol as 8 or 9 Yeunglings, then cap it off with some scotch. Or I'll drink scotch or bourbon. Drinking 15 watered down, flavorless beers. I'll also feel a lot less bloated and piss a hell of a lot less. I also don't get hangovers drinking good beer or booze.

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:10 am

The Sybian wrote:
Jerloma wrote:
brian wrote:If I could Yuengling out here, I'd have some in my beer fridge at all times (the only beer afforded that honor right now is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, though Miller Lite is usually in there 90-95 percent of the time. I'd much rather drink Yuengling than Miller Lite if I'm going to be crushing 14-16 beers on a football day.
Right. Just to be clear, there are beers I like better than Yeungling (Newcastle, Bass, Porkslap, Carib, Red Stripe), just not beers that cost 18 dollars a case.

Serious question, have you ever tried a good beer? I've never had Porkslap, but the rest of those are all horrible beers.

I'm as much of a beer snob as anyone (well, not some of you), but there's nothing wrong with Newcastle or Bass or Red Stripe. In some bars you (OK, I) go to that's about as good as you're going to get. It's all relative.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:11 am

For what its worth, I was several deep into a Sweetwater IPA on a football Sunday when I caved in the boys chest so im not going to disassociate the two all together. Not as cheap as Yuengling which is my standard (Black and Tan is good too) but pretty much mass produced around here and is really, really tasty. The 420 is likewise a standby, ive just had too much.

Despite my penchant for hops, im a GREAT dad, if I can say so myself and don't really do the spanking thing aside from smacks on the hand when they were younger so I cant relate much to overzealous whippings. But I do know that my wife's ring will break the freaking bones on the top side of your hand so its not inconceivable.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:20 am

This thread took a weird turn.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:21 am

Giff wrote:This thread took a weird turn.

I was just going to say that. This is what happens when I'm 2 timezones behind.

phxgators · Post by **phxgators** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:21 am

Steve of phpBB wrote:
If you punched one of the stakeholders in the silo, wouldn't that disrupt the paradigm?

Now that's some synergy!

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:21 am

I'm still trying to parse Citgo's post. If it was some kind of performance art trying to tie everything in this thread together, it's spectacular.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:36 am

let me try to bring this thread back. I mentioned at the beginning that the PA has to appeal. Goodell can't do whatever he wants.

And it turns out they will and I think Ray Rice has a really good case against the NFL and the Ravens

A) Goodell can't increase Rice's suspension from 2 game to indefinitely based on the same information that Rice already told Goodell that he punched his fiancee in the face. The video doesn't change that.

failing that....

B) Goodell can't say that players will get 6 games for a first offense and then suspend Rice indefinitely for a first offense. He can only increase from 2 to 6.

in addition to that....

C) under the CBA a team can't cut an already suspended player for the same offense.

Article 46, Section 4. One Penalty: The Commissioner and a Club will not both discipline a player for the same act or conduct. The Commissioner’s disciplinary action will preclude or supersede disciplinary action by any Club for the same act or conduct.

So the Ravens have to take him back whenever the suspension ends.

What do you guys think?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 11:40 am

Jesus motherfucking god. Is every NFL RB a total piece of garbage?

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:13 pm

This entire shitshow comes back to the McKenna (Deadspin) article and two basic facts:

1) The NFL "partners" with all of the major networks*, which has resulted in zero incentive for any real journalists to dig around and call the league out on its bullshit. (*ABC = ESPN)

2) The "inside" "reporters" all make their money (more than many imagined they'd ever make when they got into journalism, btw), via access to nuggets of information. To lose that access is to basically cut off the money spigot. Again, zero incentive to ruffle feathers.

And the final factor, not mentioned by McKenna, is that there's no accountability because no one is truly interested in hearing the hard truth. Fans, as we've seen the last 2 weeks, would rather stick their fingers in their ears and mutter "la la la la la". Or worse, defend domestic violence and child abuse. I know, #notallfans, but enough that the needle isn't moving enough to oust Goodell. Any other company with this kind of a PR shitshow and, at a minimum, some VP in Charge of Important Shit would be cut loose.

On this, not one person has had to step down or, fuck, apologize. Goodell admitted to being too lenient on the first go 'round. To my knowledge that's as close they've come to admitting that they treat people with more than two brain cells to rub together as anything other than walking wallets, ready to dump more money into their shitty product.

Time is a flat circle or some such bullshit.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:17 pm

mister d wrote:Jesus motherfucking god. Is every NFL RB a total piece of garbage?

I thought you still liked Foster?

And yes, Reggie Bush is a fucking idiot. Just ask TT.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:30 pm

govmentchedda wrote:
mister d wrote:Jesus motherfucking god. Is every NFL RB a total piece of garbage?
I thought you still liked Foster?

And yes, Reggie Bush is a fucking idiot. Just ask TT.

I was wondering who he was talking about...

Reggie Bush wrote:I most definitely discipline my daughter. I have a 1-year-old daughter, and I discipline her. Obviously, every person is different, and I definitely will use my best judgement to discipline her depending on the situation and what happens. I definitely will try to obviously not leave bruises or anything like that on her, but I definitely will discipline her, harshly, depending on what the situation is.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:37 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:This entire shitshow comes back to the McKenna (Deadspin) article and two basic facts:

1) The NFL "partners" with all of the major networks*, which has resulted in zero incentive for any real journalists to dig around and call the league out on its bullshit. (*ABC = ESPN)

2) The "inside" "reporters" all make their money (more than many imagined they'd ever make when they got into journalism, btw), via access to nuggets of information. To lose that access is to basically cut off the money spigot. Again, zero incentive to ruffle feathers.

And the final factor, not mentioned by McKenna, is that there's no accountability because no one is truly interested in hearing the hard truth. Fans, as we've seen the last 2 weeks, would rather stick their fingers in their ears and mutter "la la la la la". Or worse, defend domestic violence and child abuse. I know, #notallfans, but enough that the needle isn't moving enough to oust Goodell. Any other company with this kind of a PR shitshow and, at a minimum, some VP in Charge of Important Shit would be cut loose.

On this, not one person has had to step down or, fuck, apologize. Goodell admitted to being too lenient on the first go 'round. To my knowledge that's as close they've come to admitting that they treat people with more than two brain cells to rub together as anything other than walking wallets, ready to dump more money into their shitty product.

Time is a flat circle or some such bullshit.

i think ESPN at least tries. Shows like Playmakers and League of Denial. They have unveiled the concussion issue more than anyone on shows like Outside The Lines. Yes Berman is a cronie but that's just because he fucking sucks. Hannah Storm and Cris Carter went off on the league on Sunday and Adam Schefter seems genuinely pissed. It may be just a front but that's way more than any of the networks do.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:45 pm

rass wrote:
govmentchedda wrote:
mister d wrote:Jesus motherfucking god. Is every NFL RB a total piece of garbage?
I thought you still liked Foster?

And yes, Reggie Bush is a fucking idiot. Just ask TT.
I was wondering who he was talking about...

Reggie Bush wrote:I most definitely discipline my daughter. I have a 1-year-old daughter, and I discipline her. Obviously, every person is different, and I definitely will use my best judgement to discipline her depending on the situation and what happens. I definitely will try to obviously not leave bruises or anything like that on her, but I definitely will discipline her, harshly, depending on what the situation is.

He's a swollen ass addict.

And seriously, this is basically shaking a baby. I'm sure that 1-year-old will remember what she did wrong.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:52 pm

"In the future, I will not cry because I'm hungry now that Daddy Bush has properly whooped me. I appreciate he was careful not to leave obvious marks."

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:52 pm

degenerasian wrote:
Nonlinear FC wrote:This entire shitshow comes back to the McKenna (Deadspin) article and two basic facts:

1) The NFL "partners" with all of the major networks*, which has resulted in zero incentive for any real journalists to dig around and call the league out on its bullshit. (*ABC = ESPN)

2) The "inside" "reporters" all make their money (more than many imagined they'd ever make when they got into journalism, btw), via access to nuggets of information. To lose that access is to basically cut off the money spigot. Again, zero incentive to ruffle feathers.

And the final factor, not mentioned by McKenna, is that there's no accountability because no one is truly interested in hearing the hard truth. Fans, as we've seen the last 2 weeks, would rather stick their fingers in their ears and mutter "la la la la la". Or worse, defend domestic violence and child abuse. I know, #notallfans, but enough that the needle isn't moving enough to oust Goodell. Any other company with this kind of a PR shitshow and, at a minimum, some VP in Charge of Important Shit would be cut loose.

On this, not one person has had to step down or, fuck, apologize. Goodell admitted to being too lenient on the first go 'round. To my knowledge that's as close they've come to admitting that they treat people with more than two brain cells to rub together as anything other than walking wallets, ready to dump more money into their shitty product.

Time is a flat circle or some such bullshit.

i think ESPN at least tries. Shows like Playmakers and League of Denial. They have unveiled the concussion issue more than anyone on shows like Outside The Lines. Yes Berman is a cronie but that's just because he fucking sucks. Hannah Storm and Cris Carter went off on the league on Sunday and Adam Schefter seems genuinely pissed. It may be just a front but that's way more than any of the networks do.

The overwhelming majority of shit on ESPN is schlocky bullshit. The concussion stuff, sure, I'll give you, but there are basic, systemic things going on with the NFL that the network ONLY talks about on OTL... Stadium financing alone, when presented across the board and routinely, should be enough to have average citizens batshit crazy insane pissed at the NFL (yes, other sports too, but the NFL is the worst.) Let's talk about the NFL's 501c6 status... How is that justifiable? They pay Goodell $30 million... as a non-profit. "Hey, you start taxing us, you need to start taxing Chambers of Commerce, too." No, fuck you very much. Apples to Assholes comparison.

I think I'm going to focus on something else for a bit. I'm giving a league I don't care about too much of my time.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:55 pm

Ryan wrote:He's a swollen ass addict.

Swollen ass addiction and spanking are damn near synonymous.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:55 pm

Didn't ESPN effectively reduce the potential audience of a concussion documentary to a fraction by pulling out despite their own writers' participation?

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:56 pm

mister d wrote:Didn't ESPN effectively reduce the potential audience of a concussion documentary to a fraction by pulling out despite their own writers' participation?

Yeah, that was the "League of Denial" show degen referenced. They probably shouldn't get credit for that one.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:58 pm

mister d wrote:Didn't ESPN effectively reduce the potential audience of a concussion documentary to a fraction by pulling out despite their own writers' participation?

Yes. Left Frontline on their own.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:02 pm

I really hope Bush wasn't saying that he already disciplines his infant. Holy fuck. I heard Boomer say something this morning about Bush's people blaming WFAN for the comments. I didn't hear what the comment was, just Boomer saying that nobody goaded him into saying that. Fuck, get that kid away from him now.

Finally, Elizabeth Hasselbeck invoked Benghazi into the NFL RB scandals. This Benghazi crap is turning into Godwin's Law. Somebody needs to coint a law.

And Hannity weighed in on his radio show. He blames Liberals for controlling parenting. Next thing you know, the government is going to steal your children if you don't teach them being gay is normal. The Nanny State shouldn't be able to tell parents how to raise their kids. Where do we draw this line? If I decide to kill my child, is that ok Sean? What if I killed him to teach my daughter what happens when you interrupt me while I am speaking? I already warned the kid once, there need to be consequences. What if I believe it is ok to leave an infant in a hot car with the windows rolled up for 6 hours? I don't need to government telling me how to raise my kids!

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:04 pm

Didn't we spend like millions of taxpayer dollars on a Benghazi investigation and nothing came of it already?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:05 pm

mister d wrote:"In the future, I will not cry because I'm hungry now that Daddy Bush has properly whooped me. I appreciate he was careful not to leave obvious marks."

Bush goes with the sack of oranges approaches to infant discipline. Dr. Spock advised it in his older editions.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:06 pm

Every few hours I step back from the disgust of this argument and its just horrible. I want to drive to daycare and hug Quin with a perfectly reasonable amount of force.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:54 pm

The Sybian wrote: He blames Liberals for controlling parenting. Next thing you know, the government is going to steal your children if you don't teach them being gay is normal. The Nanny State shouldn't be able to tell parents how to raise their kids.

I hate that rationale. All laws are telling you what to do. They already tell me not to take MDMA. People tell people they shouldn't get 'bortions. People tell me I should give a fuck about Israel, how to vote, stuff like that.

Adrian Peterson's dead kid was probably being disciplined the first time. Go ahead, Syb. KILL YOUR SON