NFL Week 4

Post by **Shirley** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:28 pm

Oh for fucks sake. The Buccaneers at home?

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:29 pm

For those of you who don't get to spend 3 1/2 hours with the Bills each Sunday, here's all you need to know about the team...

EJ Manuel is complete garbage and will be out of the NFL by the end of next season.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:31 pm

No way. They're 3-1! I saw it on TV.

I'm going outside to play with the dog. See you guys later. Fuck this.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:34 pm

rass wrote:I'm giving up what could be the last gorgeous and genuinely hot Sunday of 2014 for this shit Steelers...

you probably saved some money on not needing sun screen so it's not all that bad. I think I may have written this 5 years ago, but anyway, Polamalu looks washed up (and out of position on every big play)

cerrano · Post by **cerrano** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:27 pm

i'm the closest. i'll go check on rass.

who's got jerloma?

TheHumanComa · Post by **TheHumanComa** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:53 pm

Go Vikings! WTF is going on here? I was expecting to watch an ass kicking.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:20 pm

degenerasian wrote:I would have been long gone now, I can't listen to Thom Brenneman for 3 and a half hours.

Brennaman truly sucks, but I'm watching the 49er/Eagle game and I just wish Joe Buck would stfu.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:27 pm

I dont mind Buck that much. He lets Aikman do his job.

Brennaman has insane ideas and talks over his analyst.
Down 24-20 he thought the Bucs should kick a FG then use their 3 timeouts on defense.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:48 pm

The Eagles do know which end zone they're aiming for, right?

cerrano · Post by **cerrano** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:50 pm

let the qb controversy get started in earnest in philly.

foles looked absolutely horrible today. just horrible.

Post by **brian** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:53 pm

What's the other viable option in Philadelphia? The Sanchize? I hope you're joking.

EdRomero · Post by **EdRomero** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:20 pm

Christopher Price ‏@cpriceNFL 10m
Multiple outlets now reporting Raiders set to fire Dennis Allen.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:43 pm

I take it that's their coach?

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:52 pm

Howard?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:49 am

Things I did in the pre-season:

Over-estimated how good the NFC South was going to be.

Holy hell.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:09 am

degenerasian wrote:Howard?

I can only assume that the Dolphins scored on that play.

EJ Manuel would have thrown it out of bounds.

L-Jam3 · Post by **L-Jam3** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:54 am

degenerasian wrote:
rass wrote:I'm giving up what could be the last gorgeous and genuinely hot Sunday of 2014 for this shit Steelers...
I would have been long gone now, I can't listen to Thom Brenneman for 3 and a half hours.

Better than me. I can't listen to Thom Brenneman for 3 and a half minutes.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:55 am

degenerasian wrote:Howard?

It's the inverse of triple coverage.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:00 am

All that picture is missing is Amare Stoudemire guarding the goal post.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:05 am

Tomlin really needs to go. No, AB dropping that gorgeous pass after the flea flicker isn't his fault or a 29 yard punt with the game on the line isn't his fault or 45 yards on a quick slant isn't his fault but he's a fucking deer in headlights. Five unsportsman like conduct penalties. FIVE! He's completely lost control.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:18 am

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:22 am

Yeah, it's only after Week 4 and the standings will change, but surely this has to be some kind of a sign of the apocalypse, no?

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:23 am

The Iggs don't rate inclusion in you red box of Armageddon?

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:52 am

howard wrote:The Iggs don't rate inclusion in you red box of Armageddon?

Fair point. I guess I tend to underrate their historical level of suckitude because they've been decent to very decent for most of the last 15 years, but you have a point. (In fact the four division winners in the NFC would have a combined 0 Super Bowl titles and only four appearances.)

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:00 pm

I'm glad they worked out the tiebreakers.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:14 pm

Rex wrote:I'm glad they worked out the tiebreakers.

I enjoy seeing those so early in the season, since so many are convoluted. Obviously they usually work themselves out pretty straightforward by the end of the season.

DC47 · Post by **DC47** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:38 pm

[/quote]
This is great defensive strategy. The Raiders are playing press zone, with a two man blitz. The cornerback's job is to jam the three clustered receivers. He's got a safety in back in the odd case of one receiver getting by him. But more important, they are coming with six up front. So the QB will be trying to throw as he's being tackled by rushers.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:52 pm

Yeah I'm glad you said something because that defensive formation is not as bad as it appears from the image. They could also send one of the blitzing linebackers into the flat to cut off the passing lane for a quick pass to one of the clustered receivers and still have enough pressure to get to Tannehill if the press CB gets a jam on two of the WRs.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:02 pm

2-7-OAK 13 (14:24) (Shotgun) 17-R.Tannehill pass short right to 11-M.Wallace for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

Now I never played the game or nothin', but I'm not sure pressuring the QB into making a quick read is the smartest play when they're in the shotgun only 13 yards away from the end zone. I don't think a fake end-around is coming. He's getting the ball out quick no matter what.

"It's the CB's job to jam 3 receivers" made me laugh though.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:10 pm

I don't think it's an optimal defensive formation, but it's certainly not as aggressively stupid as the image is meant to imply. Some people who don't know anything about football would want you to put three DBs on the clustered WRs, but that's just as bad of an idea.

Post by **Shirley** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:34 pm

brian wrote:Yeah I'm glad you said something because that defensive formation is not as bad as it appears from the image. They could also send one of the blitzing linebackers into the flat to cut off the passing lane for a quick pass to one of the clustered receivers and still have enough pressure to get to Tannehill if the press CB gets a jam on two of the WRs.

I don't know. A quick pass to the back, outside receiver and I don't see how you stop him from scoring. The other two guys block the CB and safety and your outside linebacker would have to be Usain Bolt to stop the TD. The only hope is your CB or safety could get off the block quickly, but that's a dream for a CB, who tend to be smaller than WRs.

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:42 pm

Shirley wrote:
brian wrote:Yeah I'm glad you said something because that defensive formation is not as bad as it appears from the image. They could also send one of the blitzing linebackers into the flat to cut off the passing lane for a quick pass to one of the clustered receivers and still have enough pressure to get to Tannehill if the press CB gets a jam on two of the WRs.
I don't know. A quick pass to the back, outside receiver and I don't see how you stop him from scoring. The other two guys block the CB and safety and your outside linebacker would have to be Usain Bolt to stop the TD. The only hope is your CB or safety could get off the block quickly, but that's a dream for a CB, who tend to be smaller than WRs.

I didn't see how the play turned into a TD, but that's of course the idea with that formation almost regardless of how the D chooses to play it. I would have had two DBs on the three WRs with the safety help that was already there. If the widest blitzing LB has the presence of mind to fire straight off into the potential passing lane before attacking the QB instead of taking a straight shot to the QB, that could blow the play up also.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:47 pm

You think you've got problems...

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:53 pm

Kyle Orton is 4-0 against the Lions. So don't give up hope just yet.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:03 pm

brian wrote:Yeah I'm glad you said something because that defensive formation is not as bad as it appears from the image. They could also send one of the blitzing linebackers into the flat to cut off the passing lane for a quick pass to one of the clustered receivers and still have enough pressure to get to Tannehill if the press CB gets a jam on two of the WRs.

Has anybody noted that the Raiders appear to only have 10 defenders?

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:04 pm

sancarlos wrote:
brian wrote:Yeah I'm glad you said something because that defensive formation is not as bad as it appears from the image. They could also send one of the blitzing linebackers into the flat to cut off the passing lane for a quick pass to one of the clustered receivers and still have enough pressure to get to Tannehill if the press CB gets a jam on two of the WRs.
Has anybody noted that the Raiders appear to only have 10 defenders?

There's a safety ALMOST off-picture to the far left. You can almost make him out if you look closely.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:08 pm

brian wrote:
sancarlos wrote:
brian wrote:Yeah I'm glad you said something because that defensive formation is not as bad as it appears from the image. They could also send one of the blitzing linebackers into the flat to cut off the passing lane for a quick pass to one of the clustered receivers and still have enough pressure to get to Tannehill if the press CB gets a jam on two of the WRs.
Has anybody noted that the Raiders appear to only have 10 defenders?
There's a safety ALMOST off-picture to the far left. You can almost make him out if you look closely.

Ah yes. Never mind.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:10 pm

DC47 wrote:

This is great defensive strategy. The Raiders are playing press zone, with a two man blitz. The cornerback's job is to jam the three clustered receivers. He's got a safety in back in the odd case of one receiver getting by him. But more important, they are coming with six up front. So the QB will be trying to throw as he's being tackled by rushers.[/quote]

At the very least this should have been a quick audible to a screen to the bottom WR of the cluster and let those 2 guys in front blow open a hole for him. Rare to get a look at a screen that would work that well. Even if the safety comes unblocked to the receiver, you've got a chance to make a move in the open field or at least get 4-5 yards on a clean tackle.

Anyone know what the result of this play actually was?

Post by **brian** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:13 pm

BSF21 wrote:Anyone know what the result of this play actually was?

Yeah, the Dolphins got a TD. Didn't actually see a video of the play though.

Tom 1860 · Post by **Tom 1860** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:18 pm

BSF21 wrote:Anyone know what the result of this play actually was?

It was TD on a WR screen to Wallace with the two other WRs blocking the CB and the FS...