Why Do Local Cops Need Camoflauge?

nastyned · Post by **nastyned** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:43 pm

Was there more violence after the Rams game?

boxcar · Post by **boxcar** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:32 pm

Just a handful of people, and nothing too serious, but it looked pretty ugly. Shockingly, your typical drunk football fan doesn't have a lot of empathy for protestors.

rass · Post by **rass** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:36 pm

I can almost hope the boyfriend is lying.

howard · Post by **howard** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:50 pm

Oh, I will bet he is lying. Cause that story don't sound true, as big a fan as I am of Darwin.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:51 pm

rass wrote:I can almost hope the boyfriend is lying.

"Oh, man. I shot Marvin in the face!"

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:52 pm

I was just about to post that. Almost gotta wonder if it's too Darwinian to be true.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:16 pm

So, why didn't they announce this shit this afternoon? Daylight, less time for protest to gather steam, make too much sense?

Brontoburglar · Post by **Brontoburglar** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:40 pm

howard wrote:So, why didn't they announce this shit this afternoon? Daylight, less time for protest to gather steam, make too much sense?

That was my exact thought. If you knew what it was at 3, announce it at 3.

cerrano · Post by **cerrano** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:04 pm

shit starting to go down. wondering if there will be an indictment of the obliteration of an unarmed back windshield.

eta: mcculloch announcing that there was too much contradictory evidence and the grand jury decided not to indict citing the use of justifiable force.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:16 pm

I hate Obama so fucking much. Empty words--his brilliance.

I am remembering the day the Rodney King riot started, live on CNN. Feels pretty different. I sense the restraint or lack thereof of the cops on the streets of Ferguson will be the key factor tonight.

cerrano · Post by **cerrano** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:16 pm

and there goes the tear gas.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:28 pm

Why does it matter that some witnesses changed their stories when the basic fact remains that an unarmed man was shot six times?

And no charges whatsoever?

What a fucked up system.

Summer of 2013 a Toronto cop repeatedly shot and killed a schizophrenic man who was holding a knife but who was merely standing still. Indicted on second degree murder charges.

I can not for the life of me understand how this verdict in Missouri was arrived at.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:29 pm

howard wrote:So, why didn't they announce this shit this afternoon? Daylight, less time for protest to gather steam, make too much sense?

Its not really baiting to do it at a typical news conference time, is it?

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:40 pm

Major news media doing their usual abysmal work, complete failure, complete waste of fucking time. I hate them too. At least BBC, Al Jazeera and various random streams on the internet are on the job.

teeteebee · Post by **teeteebee** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:59 pm

Hope no one needs to hit Ferguson Market & Liquor tomorrow because that place is getting relieved of all of its inventory.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:50 pm

This dude on Al Jezeera keeps ducking behind cars while people are clearly walking normally behind him.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:42 am

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boxcar · Post by **boxcar** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:56 am

howard wrote:So, why didn't they announce this shit this afternoon? Daylight, less time for protest to gather steam, make too much sense?

They should have done it Sunday, but they waited until 8 so traffic could clear out. Protestors shut down I-44 by my house, and there was talk of shutting down I-170, but to no avail. They managed to close the airports though, as people were firing randomly in the air by the airport. Neat!

Things by me were relatively calm. The interstate shutdown was off Grand/44, which is a few miles away. About 20 businesses had windows smashed down south Grand, but no real looting. The Radio Shack a couple blocks from me got broken into, but that happens like once a month.

Do criminals just love remote controlled boats and oddly sized batteries?

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:03 am

As an attorney, albeit on the civil side, I cannot underscore enough how half-assed that presentation to the grand jury must have been. Let's be clear, it could not be more obvious that they never wanted the jury to find probable cause. Buildings are burning? That's what happens when people know what has gone down. Not a lot of other ways to be heard.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:42 am

tennbengal wrote:As an attorney, albeit on the civil side, I cannot underscore enough how half-assed that presentation to the grand jury must have been. Let's be clear, it could not be more obvious that they never wanted the jury to find probable cause. Buildings are burning? That's what happens when people know what has gone down. Not a lot of other ways to be heard.

Canadians don't understand the Grand Jury system other than when they see it on TV cop shows. Works fine on TV, but something that I can't figure out. Is it chosen in the same way as a jury for a trial?

Kills me to hear the local news people picking up on the fact that some witnesses contradicted each other - as if that was the main issue.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't cops in that part of the world also carry tasers, pepper spray and or night sticks? All of which could be used (and are meant to be used) to neutralize non-lethal threats to a policeman.

Post by **Sabo** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:48 am

Pruitt wrote:And correct me if I'm wrong, but don't cops in that part of the world also carry tasers, pepper spray and or night sticks? All of which could be used (and are meant to be used) to neutralize non-lethal threats to a policeman.

Last night, some NPR reporters were going through the grand jury transcripts and were tweeting some notes from it. One of the tweets stated the cop didn't have a taser on him because he felt "uncomfortable" carrying it with him. It wasn't clear if that meant he was physically uncomfortable carrying the taser or if he didn't believe it was powerful enough to protect him.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:49 am

The stats on grand juries returning indictments are over-whelming. In the federal courts, it is only .01% of the time that they DO NOT return an indictment. Evidence is presented, it is one-sided, and you get indictments.

Somehow, this particular prosecutor, has now handled 8 cases of police involved shootings in the last seven years and has no convictions. Not one.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:15 am

Tasers don't stop demon punches that leave red marks, Sabo. Grow up.

joeyclams · Post by **joeyclams** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:31 am

It still blows me away that there was no immediate after action report of the incident. I read somewhere that Wilson did his some 4 weeks after. That doesn't sound shady at all.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:58 am

tennbengal wrote: Somehow, this particular prosecutor, has now handled 8 cases of police involved shootings in the last seven years and has no convictions. Not one.

I believe I read yesterday that his father was a cop who was killed on duty.

boxcar · Post by **boxcar** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:20 pm

correct

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:41 pm

tennbengal wrote:The stats on grand juries returning indictments are over-whelming. In the federal courts, it is only .01% of the time that they DO NOT return an indictment. Evidence is presented, it is one-sided, and you get indictments.

Somehow, this particular prosecutor, has now handled 8 cases of police involved shootings in the last seven years and has no convictions. Not one.

This is astounding.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:08 pm

The grand jury process for criminal indictment has its pros and cons. The problem in this case is the gross misuse of the grand jury process by the prosecution team to subvert justice and whitewash the cop who killed the unarmed man. The radical departures from normal grand jury proceedings taken by the prosecution is a crime; of course it will also go unpunished.

The prosecution did not present a case for indictment. This is what they always do, unless the accused is a cop. Instead, the prosecution presented a case against indictment. The opposite of what they are supposed to do. And this was done in secret, with the well-coordinated leaks to the media during the elongated process, and the document dump at the close. So the idiots in the press who would be hard pressed to define a grand jury to bloviate on air and further cloud the issue.

This is as bad a perversion of the actual nuts and bolts of the judicial system as I have ever seen or read about. A prosecutor is charged with representing the victim of a crime, as well as the public. Here, he was a defender of a cop who shot and killed an unarmed man physically separated from him by at least 100 feet; while prosecuting the victim. A fitting epitaph for the rule of law in this country.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:15 pm

One criticism of the media, then I'm out. I have seen the photographs of the 'injuries' suffered by the cop, displayed on television many times last evening and today. Some very mild redness of the skin on his face.

I have not once seen on television photographs of the wounds suffered by the dead man. Or diagrams. Or even mention of his injuries, in direct juxtaposition to the photos of the cop. This is across the board, the ideological range from Fox to MSNBC to RT/Al Jazeera. (The full range, from 'A' to 'B')

That is as clear an example as I can imagine of how the media by the very structure, lies.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:37 pm

tennbengal wrote:
Somehow, this particular prosecutor, has now handled 8 cases of police involved shootings in the last seven years and has no convictions. Not one.

What would be the breakdown? Were all the cops white and the victims black?

Post by **Shirley** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:38 pm

And you almost have to imagine a bit to think that there are any marks at all on the cop's face. They are not obvious at all.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:39 pm

Brontoburglar wrote:
howard wrote:So, why didn't they announce this shit this afternoon? Daylight, less time for protest to gather steam, make too much sense?
That was my exact thought. If you knew what it was at 3, announce it at 3.

The theory was to get all the kids home from after school activities, and all working folks home.

I thought the best play would've been canceling schools and then letting that prick be a smug prick at 9am this morning.

howard · Post by **howard** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:46 pm

degenerasian wrote:
tennbengal wrote:
Somehow, this particular prosecutor, has now handled 8 cases of police involved shootings in the last seven years and has no convictions. Not one.
What would be the breakdown? Were all the cops white and the victims black?

I'm not gonna look it up right now, but I read not only no convictions, but no indictments.

Be clear, cops gun down white people too. Not as often as black people, but with increasing frequency. This fact gets lost in the magnifying glass of american racism. But one of the sad realities of our age is that white people are increasingly being 'niggerized' by all our war, economic theft, political corruption, et al. The plight of the masses of white people is increasingly approaching the plight of black people in this country. Getting shot to death by cops is one of the features

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:48 pm

And, of course, watching CNN they are spending the VAST MAJORITY of the last two hours fixated on the Step-father losing his shit and shouting burn this bitch down.

That's the focus of the media today. Not a thoughtful, reasoned analysis of the prosecutor's approach to this case. Not a breakdown of the Brown family's attorney's rebuttal of the prosecution's approach to this case.

I get that we have good pictures of smoking buildings. I'm not even saying they should ignore the destruction.

But they just aren't interested in telling both sides, or the bigger picture.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:07 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:And, of course, watching CNN they are spending the VAST MAJORITY of the last two hours fixated on the Step-father losing his shit and shouting burn this bitch down.

That's the focus of the media today. Not a thoughtful, reasoned analysis of the prosecutor's approach to this case. Not a breakdown of the Brown family's attorney's rebuttal of the prosecution's approach to this case.

I get that we have good pictures of smoking buildings. I'm not even saying they should ignore the destruction.

But they just aren't interested in telling both sides, or the bigger picture.

Yeah, I saw that this morning and shook my head, I also saw some video where I think it was the mother and she was really whipping up the raw emotions of the crowd.

At the end of the day the biggest harm was done to that community as none of those businesses will be in a rush to go back there. One poor lady stood there and watched the autoparts store that she worked at burned down. What's she going to do now?

The Brown family was hurt and it could be argued destroyed by this whole episode, but there were a lot of innocents hurt last night for no other reason then that they were there.

DSafetyGuy · Post by **DSafetyGuy** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:56 pm

tennbengal wrote:The stats on grand juries returning indictments are over-whelming. In the federal courts, it is only .01% of the time that they DO NOT return an indictment. Evidence is presented, it is one-sided, and you get indictments.

Somehow, this particular prosecutor, has now handled 8 cases of police involved shootings in the last seven years and has no convictions. Not one.

Having served on a federal grand jury several years ago, this is completely correct. If I recall correctly, the only time we did not return an indictment was because the prosecutor was trying to get multiple charges and one did not fly. Prosecutor was told what the problem was, left, and came back with a revised list of charges with the problematic one removed. Sat through the testimony again and returned an indictment.

Also, it is pretty rare to be in a room with people who want to be in there less than in that room.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:44 am

Nation Doesn’t Know If It Can Take Another Bullshit Speech About Healing

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:04 pm

Ok....I'm not a lawyer...but this whole case stinks like last weeks garbage.

1. The cops story is a load of shit. Brown say "you're too big of a pussy to shoot me". Really? C'mon....does anyone believe that?

2. The cop said that Brown was "like a hulk", or a "demon". Hey....the Cop himself is 6-4! The same height as Brown! And he felt like a kid grabbing onto the Hulk? C'mon...

3. The saying is "you can indict a ham sandwich"....well, that depends on the Prosecutor actually wanting to get an Indictment. It looks pretty clear to me that the Prosecutor was acting more like Wilson's defensive attorney, not the state's Prosecutor.

4. And the delay of the announcement? Until 8pm at night? When they indicated an announcement was coming hours earlier? Gee, its almost like they wanted there to be violence afterwards.

Yuck....just a general yuck...

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:19 pm

Not agreeing with what happened here, but the comps to federal statistics are kind of bush. Federal criminal law is a completely different animal because of the nature of the crimes that fall under federal jurisdiction. There's plenty of prosecutorial discretion exercised by the feds--it's just that it's exercised at the investigation/let's make a deal stage. When it comes time to roll out that 95-page complaint, the indictment is not in doubt.