The OFFICIAL 2016 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:35 am

Nonlinear FC wrote:Wilson, for the most part, has kept his shit in check this season.

Wilson is fucking garbage. If anyone ever starts a paralysis/death hit pool, he's a peak Marshall Faulk 1-1.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:36 am

Generally I find the national broadcast to be just a much higher quality production than the local coverage. However, watching NBCSN last night was annoying. The local broadcast team on Comcast Sportsnet Joe Beninati,Craig Laughlin and Smokin' Al Koken do a fine job. However, I don't care too much about that side. What drove me nuts was the director and camera position. Way worse than the Comcast setup. The angles they used for the cameras just cut off too much of the rink and stick handling. And the director just had terrible sense. Picking bad times to go close up or down the ice view or the hand camera guy in the corners. Just stupid. I am pretty sure they almost missed the Caps 2nd goal coming out of the commercial break as they were talking.

At least the good guys won and nice job by the officials to be in a place to make the right call in O.T.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:39 pm

mister d wrote:
Nonlinear FC wrote:Wilson, for the most part, has kept his shit in check this season.
Wilson is fucking garbage. If anyone ever starts a paralysis/death hit pool, he's a peak Marshall Faulk 1-1.

I'm sure I'd feel the same way if he was on another team. That said, the thing about 2016 Wilson is that he is actually being a productive member of Capitals society. He's got a career high in points and just in general, he's not taking nearly as many "dumb" penalties.

But, again, he's an annoying fucker, I get that.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:53 pm

He's not "an annoying fucker", that's like Burrows or Avery. He's a legit, intentional danger to every player he faces. He tied for the league lead in unsportsmanlike conducts. He tied for the league lead in boarding majors. Last year he led the league in boarding majors. Those don't count plays like last night's knee and the other open ice runs he's taken. He's not a love-em-or-hate-em guy, he's garbage and if he doesn't stop being garbage, someone's career will be ruined.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon May 02, 2016 2:27 pm

Orpik took his 3 game suspension better than Trotz, he somehow intimated the league came down heavier on him because of "who we are playing."

How about we not concuss players well after the puck is gone? Only small point Orpik made is to hope punishment is doled out even-handedly going forward.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon May 02, 2016 7:57 pm

So prescient.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon May 02, 2016 8:23 pm

I bet the Tang gets less games than Orpik. Less time between puck leaving and hit arriving, and there's a small chance he hit his chest at the same time as the head. 2 games.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon May 02, 2016 8:24 pm

dumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumb...

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon May 02, 2016 8:25 pm

Me, or the hit?

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon May 02, 2016 8:27 pm

The hit.

(this time)

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Mon May 02, 2016 8:32 pm

It looked real bad on my first viewing, and then one angle seems to make it look like the head snap is not due to contact with the head, but rather, the head reacting to the body hit. It's a close call, and a stupid hit.

rass · Post by **rass** » Mon May 02, 2016 8:37 pm

Hot Carl.

howard · Post by **howard** » Mon May 02, 2016 8:48 pm

What is that sound the puck makes when it hits the pipes - leTANG!

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Mon May 02, 2016 11:35 pm

govmentchedda wrote:It looked real bad on my first viewing, and then one angle seems to make it look like the head snap is not due to contact with the head, but rather, the head reacting to the body hit. It's a close call, and a stupid hit.

Nah, dude. Shoulder right into his face. Not as bad as Orpik but he'll get a game.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Tue May 03, 2016 7:20 am

Nonlinear FC wrote:
govmentchedda wrote:It looked real bad on my first viewing, and then one angle seems to make it look like the head snap is not due to contact with the head, but rather, the head reacting to the body hit. It's a close call, and a stupid hit.
Nah, dude. Shoulder right into his face. Not as bad as Orpik but he'll get a game.

9/10 in similarity to Orpik. Ought to be 3.

Launched, targeted, was 2 seconds behind the puck.

rass · Post by **rass** » Tue May 03, 2016 7:26 am

rass wrote:dumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumbdumb...

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue May 03, 2016 10:10 am

I honestly don't see how you can look at the two plays and debate that they are the same. And Orpik wasn't saying the other day that all punishment should be equal, just that a headshot like Letang's should be punished accordingly.

But god dammit was the NBC crew obnoxious on that. Don't start pulling shit out of your ass about "might've hit his chest first" until you've actually seen the replay. There's not debating that hit, just do what they started to do after replays and say "the league will look at that" and move the fuck on. That's part of the problem we've discussed here before, the announcers feel some weird need to protect the league's image or something. Cut that shit out.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:16 pm

http://deadspin.com/kris-letang-suspend ... 1774510273

one game

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:21 pm

The other thing that needs to be clarified... The act of "leaving the ice" is not, in and of itself, an indictment of a player delivering a dirty blow. The issue is when you leave the ice. Many checks, the dude is gonna get off the ice, it's a matter of when... if you are airborne when you hit someone, that's a penalty and possible suspension. If you leave the ice after the blow, as long as you aren't targeting, that's fine.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:26 pm

Nonlinear FC wrote:The other thing that needs to be clarified... The act of "leaving the ice" is not, in and of itself, an indictment of a player delivering a dirty blow. The issue is when you leave the ice. Many checks, the dude is gonna get off the ice, it's a matter of when... if you are airborne when you hit someone, that's a penalty and possible suspension. If you leave the ice after the blow, as long as you aren't targeting, that's fine.

I understand but I disagree in this instance. He left the ice because he went through the guy's head area.

The issue here for me is that he clearly had time to pull up. The puck was well away from him. I don't care if it's .6 or 1.01 or whatever. Letang looked and had the option not to hit him and went high. I really don't see a 66% difference in the Orpik hit and this one. And Letang has a prior.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Tue May 03, 2016 4:05 pm

BSF21 wrote:
Nonlinear FC wrote:The other thing that needs to be clarified... The act of "leaving the ice" is not, in and of itself, an indictment of a player delivering a dirty blow. The issue is when you leave the ice. Many checks, the dude is gonna get off the ice, it's a matter of when... if you are airborne when you hit someone, that's a penalty and possible suspension. If you leave the ice after the blow, as long as you aren't targeting, that's fine.
I understand but I disagree in this instance. He left the ice because he went through the guy's head area.

The issue here for me is that he clearly had time to pull up. The puck was well away from him. I don't care if it's .6 or 1.01 or whatever. Letang looked and had the option not to hit him and went high. I really don't see a 66% difference in the Orpik hit and this one. And Letang has a prior.

Yeah, we're mostly on the same page. It was a shitty hit and deserved a game, maybe 2. But Orpik's was worse just on the timing issue alone. And then the league looks at the result, which I think is bullshit but that's tilting at windmills at this point.

A shitty hit should be punished harshly, then you can tack on additional harshness when the result is an injured player. Dude that ran Orlov should DEFINITELY have sat down for 3 games. The fact that he shook it off... I'm of the opinion he hasn't been the same player since. He was a fucking nightmare the other night to the point that he got benched... This was a guy that was absolutely flying around the ice earlier in the Flyers series.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed May 04, 2016 9:22 am

Wow. Speaking of headshots behind the play... Just saw the Boyle OT winner from last night. WTF are the refs looking at there?

That's an ugly play, and that it resulted in a game winner really highlights the whole thing.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:31 am

Nonlinear FC wrote:Wow. Speaking of headshots behind the play... Just saw the Boyle OT winner from last night. WTF are the refs looking at there?

That's an ugly play, and that it resulted in a game winner really highlights the whole thing.

I'm not ready to call that a head shot. It's definitely close, but it seems like contact was in the chest/shoulder and not the head.

Additionally, Hickey exploding Drouin earlier in the game was a legal headshot. Absolutely nothing wrong with that hit. Drouin skated right into that one, and paid a heavy price.

How do I embed a .gif? I've got one re: the Boyle hit.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:40 am

I've seen a .gif on Deadspin that makes it pretty clear he swerved over and drilled him with his shoulder right on dude's chin. You see his head snap sideways. There's no way, given body positions, that he hit him primarily in the chest there.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:42 am

Nonlinear FC wrote:I've seen a .gif on Deadspin that makes it pretty clear he swerved over and drilled him with his shoulder right on dude's chin. You see his head snap sideways. There's no way, given body positions, that he hit him primarily in the chest there.

That one's too fast.

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rass · Post by **rass** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:46 am

Yeah, I'd say late but not a headshot.

Nonlinear FC · Post by **Nonlinear FC** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:48 am

Definitely not a slam dunk Orpik/Letang type of deal, I'll give you that. I'll leave it at borderline... and only the Islander guy knows whether he cost his team with embellishment, or he just got lit up and wtf are you gonna do.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:54 am

Nonlinear FC wrote:Definitely not a slam dunk Orpik/Letang type of deal, I'll give you that. I'll leave it at borderline... and only the Islander guy knows whether he cost his team with embellishment, or he just got lit up and wtf are you gonna do.

I'd say a bit of both on this one. Goes back to what I was saying earlier. There's "finishing your check", which means against the boards to keep a guy from moving the puck up the boards and outhustling you. There's no "finishing your check" in open ice. He knew the puck was gone and chose to charge the guy. It might not be a blatant to the head, but that's a 2 minute charge all day in my book.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:56 am

Nonlinear FC wrote:Definitely not a slam dunk Orpik/Letang type of deal, I'll give you that. I'll leave it at borderline... and only the Islander guy knows whether he cost his team with embellishment, or he just got lit up and wtf are you gonna do.

I'm 100% fine with calling it borderline. The game was chock full of borderline, and late hits. In fact, that may have been the most exciting game I've seen all playoffs. Lots of goals, tons of hits, pretty even score throughout. It was nice to see both Drouin and Boyle get some revenge after Drouin's huge hit from Hickey. Hamonic also started shit pregame with Boyle. That Boyle's hit was on Hickey made it even sweeter.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:58 am

BSF21 wrote:
Nonlinear FC wrote:Definitely not a slam dunk Orpik/Letang type of deal, I'll give you that. I'll leave it at borderline... and only the Islander guy knows whether he cost his team with embellishment, or he just got lit up and wtf are you gonna do.
I'd say a bit of both on this one. Goes back to what I was saying earlier. There's "finishing your check", which means against the boards to keep a guy from moving the puck up the boards and outhustling you. There's no "finishing your check" in open ice. He knew the puck was gone and chose to charge the guy. It might not be a blatant to the head, but that's a 2 minute charge all day in my book.

If that's a charge, what's Cizikas hit on Condra in game 1?

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:59 am

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed May 04, 2016 11:19 am

govmentchedda wrote:

A) He initiates contact while the TBL player actually has the puck.
B) Seems to be a tougher call because the TBL player is already moving backwards and seems to be on his heels when the check is initiated
C) It's probably still a 2 minute cross check, but that's not a charge as I see it, no strides taken to get to the other player, NYI guy is gliding the whole way.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed May 04, 2016 11:31 am

BSF21 wrote:
govmentchedda wrote:
A) He initiates contact while the TBL player actually has the puck.
B) Seems to be a tougher call because the TBL player is already moving backwards and seems to be on his heels when the check is initiated
C) It's probably still a 2 minute cross check, but that's not a charge as I see it, no strides taken to get to the other player, NYI guy is gliding the whole way.

I'm ok with that as well. The hit happened in my corner, and it felt more like an unlucky outcome than a penalty.

I guess my issue with the complaints about the Boyle hit on Hickey are that there were a million of those all game, and this one happened to lead to the game winner, so it's being dissected more than any of the other, similar hits throughout the game.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed May 04, 2016 11:39 am

No hearing for Boyle or Hickey.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed May 04, 2016 6:49 pm

I have zero objectivity when it comes to Boyle(r!) but that looked like fishing (pun) for a call a lot more than a headshot. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but the views I've seen all looked lower than head.

(PS ILY Brian!!!)

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed May 04, 2016 7:17 pm

mister d wrote:I have zero objectivity when it comes to Boyle(r!) but that looked like fishing (pun) for a call a lot more than a headshot. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise, but the views I've seen all looked lower than head.

(PS ILY Brian!!!)

He remembers you, but he likes me better.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed May 04, 2016 10:16 pm

horny

TheHumanComa · Post by **TheHumanComa** » Thu May 05, 2016 8:45 pm

Hitchcock and Ruff are the two most unique looking coaches in the league. someone should make a cartoon of them. just the name 'hitchcock and ruff' sounds good. go Dallas!

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Fri May 06, 2016 12:28 am

Damn, this Sharks/Predators game is going to go all night. Going to triple OT as I write this. Actually the game should be over, but San Jose got screwed by the officials, Pavelski got crosschecked by Nashville into the goalie Rinne, then scored from his chest. But it got waived off for goalie interference, despite the fact that Nashville caused it. Augh!

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri May 06, 2016 6:54 am

Thats hockeys problem sancarlos.

That goal probably gets reversed in the first period. In overtime? No way.