The Swamp

A_B wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:15 am

Fantastic!

From everything I'm hearing, Trump plans on using the RNC coffers to pay the judgments against him. In one way, it makes me sick that he is never held accountable for a lifetime of fraud and being the shittiest person, but in another way, that has to seriously hurt GOP candidates at every level, right? That's a huge chunk of change! There have to be some Republicans who would ordinarily donate to the RNC, but won't now because they don't want to pay Trump's legal fees and judgments. I saw that there is a GoFundMe set up to collect, which raised $500k in the first 3 days. Just a drop in the bucket, but that's $500k that may have otherwise been spent on campaign donations to Trump or other MAGA candidates. I'd love to know who sends money to these things. My guess is morons who likely can't afford it, paying a self proclaimed billionaire who brags that he doesn't need campaign contributions while constantly asking for money.

Doesn’t sound legal at all and yes this is a naive thing to say.

I heard that Gofundme was taking down that collection box.

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:17 pm Doesn’t sound legal at all and yes this is a naive thing to say.

With Lara Trump as the RNC Chair, I'm sure she will act in the best interest of the Party.

What about something from the early years?

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:48 pm

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:17 pm Doesn’t sound legal at all and yes this is a naive thing to say.

With Lara Trump as the RNC Chair, I'm sure she will act in the best interest of the Party.

There have been rumblings about Trump fundraising being fraudulent for many years. I think they send out those emails with just enough of a tether to "truth" that they are probably not criminal, but, man... "They are out to get me!! Please give me money so I can return to the White House and beat back the Deep State that is trying to throw poor little old me in jail!"

And then using that money to pay off legal fees and debts?

Very very borderline in terms of soliciting money for one thing and using it for another.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:26 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:48 pm

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:17 pm Doesn’t sound legal at all and yes this is a naive thing to say.

With Lara Trump as the RNC Chair, I'm sure she will act in the best interest of the Party.

There have been rumblings about Trump fundraising being fraudulent for many years. I think they send out those emails with just enough of a tether to "truth" that they are probably not criminal, but, man... "They are out to get me!! Please give me money so I can return to the White House and beat back the Deep State that is trying to throw poor little old me in jail!"

And then using that money to pay off legal fees and debts?

Very very borderline in terms of soliciting money for one thing and using it for another.

You left off the most important line, "if they throw me in prison, you are next, because only I can save you!"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... g-charges/

Not exactly what we were talking about, but certainly certainly nice to see some accountability.

Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:26 am

The Sybian wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:48 pm

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 12:17 pm Doesn’t sound legal at all and yes this is a naive thing to say.

With Lara Trump as the RNC Chair, I'm sure she will act in the best interest of the Party.

There have been rumblings about Trump fundraising being fraudulent for many years. I think they send out those emails with just enough of a tether to "truth" that they are probably not criminal, but, man... "They are out to get me!! Please give me money so I can return to the White House and beat back the Deep State that is trying to throw poor little old me in jail!"

And then using that money to pay off legal fees and debts?

Very very borderline in terms of soliciting money for one thing and using it for another.

I would think that if Trump used RNC money to pay off judgments against him, at a minimum that would have to be reported as taxable income.

And if he doesn’t?

Still doesn’t matter if not enforced by…anyone.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:27 pm And if he doesn’t?

Still doesn’t matter if not enforced by…anyone.

Yeah, but he's always being audited. That's why he can't publicly release his tax filings.

tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:27 pm And if he doesn’t?

Still doesn’t matter if not enforced by…anyone.

Whatever criticism you want to level at the various enforcement bodies and legal jurisdictions I don't think you can accuse them of not going after Trump. He's looking at two civil trials and four criminal trials in a 12-month span.

brian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:52 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:27 pm And if he doesn’t?

Still doesn’t matter if not enforced by…anyone.

Whatever criticism you want to level at the various enforcement bodies and legal jurisdictions I don't think you can accuse them of not going after Trump. He's looking at two civil trials and four criminal trials in a 12-month span.

That prompts a longer discussion of what law is. Enforcing judgments used to be a part of the equation that no one gave a second thought to. Now…


Which is to say, a legal body has no more authority than that which it is able to enforce. If a judge sentences a person to ten years in jail, say, and then the person walks out of the courthouse and never goes to jail because the means to enforce the judgment don’t apply, does it matter that a prosecutor went after the person?

tennbengal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:01 am

brian wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:52 pm

tennbengal wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:27 pm And if he doesn’t?

Still doesn’t matter if not enforced by…anyone.

Whatever criticism you want to level at the various enforcement bodies and legal jurisdictions I don't think you can accuse them of not going after Trump. He's looking at two civil trials and four criminal trials in a 12-month span.

That prompts a longer discussion of what law is. Enforcing judgments used to be a part of the equation that no one gave a second thought to. Now…


Which is to say, a legal body has no more authority than that which it is able to enforce. If a judge sentences a person to ten years in jail, say, and then the person walks out of the courthouse and never goes to jail because the means to enforce the judgment don’t apply, does it matter that a prosecutor went after the person?

Can you clarify about enforcing judgments? There’s nothing to stop the judgments being enforced, other than posting huge bonds.

Not sure phone response works -

Jury finds guilty - judge sentences to 10 years prison -

And…

If no one actually can or will actually imprison said person for the sentence what does it matter that someone “went after” said person.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:17 am There’s nothing to stop the judgments being enforced,

except for:
cronyism
corruption
tribalism
privilege
politics
etc.

(although it is heartening that it appears he has to pony up a half billion within the next month and that judge ain't taking no guff)

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:27 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:17 am There’s nothing to stop the judgments being enforced,

except for:
cronyism
corruption
tribalism
privilege
politics
etc.

(although it is heartening that it appears he has to pony up a half billion within the next month and that judge ain't taking no guff)

Also you know DJT is completely illiquid so unless he gets a loan from a crony at a bank he would likely have to sell some assets, hopefully at fire sale prices. You hate to see it.

brian wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 3:37 pm

P.D.X. wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:27 pm

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:17 am There’s nothing to stop the judgments being enforced,

except for:
cronyism
corruption
tribalism
privilege
politics
etc.

(although it is heartening that it appears he has to pony up a half billion within the next month and that judge ain't taking no guff)

Also you know DJT is completely illiquid so unless he gets a loan from a crony at a bank he would likely have to sell some assets, hopefully at fire sale prices. You hate to see it.

Letitia James said she will seize his assets if he doesn't pay.

There were reports that Elon Musk visited Palm Beach the day after the verdict came down.

So hey! At least it wasn't Putin cutting him a check, right?

I need to watch The Wizard of Oz, a little more closely.

Fuck the Supreme Court.







Basically, Alito and Thomas are going to retire in Trump's potential next term so they are trying their best to make sure he gets elected.

And fuck Mitch McConnell too.

Yeah, this is really shitty. Somehow these guys managed to put Bush in the White House in only three days - but this new case has to take months? WTF.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:50 am Yeah, this is really shitty. Somehow these guys managed to put Bush in the White House in only three days - but this new case has to take months? WTF.

Not to mention, it's an extremely straight forward case with no points of contention or split decisions between Circuits.

And yet, (at least) four justices voted to grant cert.

I hate to say this, but Brett Kavanaugh is our only hope.

Steve of phpBB wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:12 pm And yet, (at least) four justices voted to grant cert.

I hate to say this, but Brett Kavanaugh is our only hope.

Yeah, he has been surprisingly steadfast to his principles (which are IMO wrong), and doesn't sway when that puts his Opinion against his political leanings. Didn't expect that from him, I thought he'd be a straight up political hack.

I have absolute confidence he'll be there for the people who installed him when they need him most.

mister d wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:55 pm I have absolute confidence he'll be there for the people who installed him when they need him most.

Oh, sure. He'll be a solid vote to find the NLRB unconstitutional.

Johnnie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 10, 2024 10:00 pm

OK it took me a second to get what Favreau was saying here. He needed to edit his tweet to say, “…needs to feel feared, not humiliated.” Cuz it sorta sounds like the lesson here is on us to respect him rather than to mock him.

EnochRoot wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2024 7:35 am

OK it took me a second to get what Favreau was saying here. He needed to edit his tweet to say, “…needs to feel feared, not humiliated.” Cuz it sorta sounds like the lesson here is on us to respect him rather than to mock him.

I had to read that a second time, too.

I knew she'd been mentioned somewhere here in the past - I'm right now in a live SBA chat with Rep. Crockett; she's giving a talk about (obviously) small businesses, and strategies for black entrepreneurs to access capital etc.

Putting aside the important takeaways from this presentation (really laying out the realities about the difficulties black business owners have that white america doesn't, specific strategies, how to have the government agency assist local industry, etc etc) ... um Syb you and I are going to have to have a duel here. <3

The Sybian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 8:28 pm

Johnnie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:10 am This is how I'd live for all Democrats to act all of the time:

Just went down a Rep. Crockett rabbit hole on Youtube. I think I'm in love. She is so damned good in interviews. I looked up her age, because she looks like she might not be age appropriate, but she is 42!

Trump says he can’t secure a bond for $454M in his NY civil suit. You hate to see it.

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:05 am Trump says he can’t secure a bond for $454M in his NY civil suit. You hate to see it.

He can always sell one of his shitty golf-motels.

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:05 am Trump says he can’t secure a bond for $454M in his NY civil suit. You hate to see it.

Boo fucking hoo

DaveInSeattle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:18 am

brian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:05 am Trump says he can’t secure a bond for $454M in his NY civil suit. You hate to see it.

He can always sell one of his shitty golf-motels.

No one would even offer market rate knowing his financial situation.

But wait. I thought he was rich…

I can’t wait for New York to seize Trump Tower to cover the E Jean Carrol damages and someone to buy it at an embarrassingly low price, then rename it Obama or Biden Tower.