2016 NFL Regular Season Thread the First

Post by **brian** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:33 pm

Joe K wrote:
brian wrote:Whatever you think of Aikman he's never been shy about sharing his honest opinions in the media. He's not quite the automaton people seem to think he is.
The backstory here is that Bayless infamously wrote a book about the Cowboys back in the 1990s, in which he asserted that Aikman was gay. Aikman has hated Bayless ever since.

Also, that.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 2:08 pm

Also, this may be a work from Fox.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:11 pm

brian wrote:
EnochRoot wrote:
brian wrote:While I agree you have to maximize your chances to win in any given year if the implication is they're in win now mode because of Peterson that's dumb. They have a young defense, a young QB and a solid OL. I think they'll ultimately regret losing the first rounder for a stiff like Bradford.
Eh. I think the chances of Bridgewater being ready under center for the start of next season are slim to none. I also kinda think he's not going to be the same caliber QB.

Set that aside though. I think Minnesota decided that that they're an injury to say, Aaron Rodgers away from locking down the NFCN and perhaps getting a bye in the playoffs. Or, they could do nothing, and wonder 'what if'.

Don't get caught up in over valuing draft picks. There's value in dealing them, too.
For sure. But for Bradford? What upside does he have? If they would have given up a mid-round pick for him then sure. Philadelphia has to be delighted that they somehow got value back for him after the dumb deal they made for him.

It's not so much his upside as it is their upside. Bradford is essentially what Bridgewater was last year, plus they're rolling into a new stadium next season? Can't have a 4 win debacle as an opening act. I dunno..I just think they rolled the dice thinking that there's at least a 50% chance their first round pick would under perform anyway, so they may as well use it now on a stop-gap until they can get Teddy back under center.

Of course they would've preferred to pay less, but you have to pay the going rate.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:35 pm

Teddy Bridgewater last year was good enough to go 10-6 and lose a divisional game. I mean if that's what you're going for, sure, give up a first for Sam Bradford and hope he stays healthy but I think it's insane. I'd rather have Geno Smith (and probably at a fraction of the cost) than Sam Bradford.

A first and a fourth? Really? What's Philly gonna do, keep Sam Bradford all year and cut him in the offseason?

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:07 pm

This quote right here. TJ Ward when asked about Carolina coming in with a chip on their shoulder:

"It doesn’t matter to us. You could have a Dorito on your shoulder for all we care. But you still have to come in here and beat us.”

bfj · Post by **bfj** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:20 pm

sancarlos wrote:Baltimore cut Justin Forsett. That's a surprise.

He was brought back the next day.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:31 am

tennbengal wrote:Also, this may be a work from Fox.

I doubt it. I've heard Aikman speak about Bayless years before Bayless joined Fox, and it's clear the animosity is real. Also, there are reports that Aikman tried to engineer a move to CBS after Fox hired Bayless, but CBS was happy sticking with Simms.

DaveInSeattle · Post by **DaveInSeattle** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:32 am

Joe K wrote:CBS was happy sticking US with Simms.

FIFY

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 9:52 am

Was still thinking about the Vikings situation - wouldn't you rather give up a first for AJ McCarron? I know I would. Maybe they tried.

GoodKarma · Post by **GoodKarma** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:14 am

I know the Bengals would have taken basically the same deal...first and a fourth round pick or something very close.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:35 am

I would think so. I certainly would rather roll the dice on McCarron, who I think has shown he's at least nearly as competent as Bradford, and who would come on a rookie contract that you could potentially trade next year if he performs well and Teddy returns. Or keep him as your backup.

I can't imagine Bradford fetching another big return next year.

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 10:40 am

Gunpowder wrote:I would think so. I certainly would rather roll the dice on McCarron, who I think has shown he's at least nearly as competent as Bradford, and who would come on a rookie contract that you could potentially trade next year if he performs well and Teddy returns. Or keep him as your backup.

I can't imagine Bradford fetching another big return next year.

Though to be fair, I never in a million years thought the Eagles would ever get a first for him.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Wed Sep 07, 2016 11:08 am

True, I probably should have just said "Lightning" Bradford won't strike the same price twice.

Johnnie · Post by **Johnnie** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:04 pm

No pylon cameras in the NFL? They're fucking up.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:51 pm

Boy cam newton doesn't get any calls. Two helmet shots in about 12 plays.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:55 pm

A_B wrote:Boy cam newton doesn't get any calls. Two helmet shots in about 12 plays.

he got the call for the 3rd one.

I find it strange that an intentional grounding negates a personal foul to the QB. Intentional ground is pretty much a sack. So if Newton eats it, then he gets a first down.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:58 pm

Helluva game.

That penalty on 4th and 25 almost made me throw a hard-sided plush toy at my television.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:27 am

A_B wrote:Boy cam newton doesn't get any calls. Two helmet shots in about 12 plays.

The Broncos were head hunting all night.

There was a play where Marshall left his feet and was going straight for Newton's head.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:11 am

NICE TO SEE MARSHALL IS ABLE TO LEAVE HIS FEET FOR SOMETHING SMDH!!!!!!!

(If he's not the dude who protested before the game please ignore and move on.)

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:42 am

Newton won't last 4 games this year if he gets beat up like that every game. Holy shit is that Denver front excellent.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:18 am

mister d wrote:NICE TO SEE MARSHALL IS ABLE TO LEAVE HIS FEET FOR SOMETHING SMDH!!!!!!!

(If he's not the dude who protested before the game please ignore and move on.)

#HOVER4TROOPS

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:11 am

BSF21 wrote:Newton won't last 4 games this year if he gets beat up like that every game. Holy shit is that Denver front excellent.

And also dirty.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:24 am

tennbengal wrote:
BSF21 wrote:Newton won't last 4 games this year if he gets beat up like that every game. Holy shit is that Denver front excellent.
And also dirty.

Fair point. All I could think about watching last night's second half is that Luck would have died last night against that team. I know the Colts aren't set to be a benchmark of excellence this season, but they're miles away from being able to pass protect against a team like Denver.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:29 am

Perhaps the Broncos get away with that because they somehow don't have the dirty label attached to them, but, fuck, those were a series of dirty shots, and it looked planned. When it went unflagged, it escalated.

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:43 am

tennbengal wrote:Perhaps the Broncos get away with that because they somehow don't have the dirty label attached to them, but, fuck, those were a series of dirty shots, and it looked planned. When it went unflagged, it escalated.

I agree with the no call on the Miller one but the hit by Marshall and the one along the sidelines when Cam was running with the ball were blatant headshots. I know a different rule applies to a QB outside the pocket, because they're treated as a ball carrier, but it seemed to me that plays like that should be penalized regardless. Also Degen's point about the strangeness of a grounding penalty offsetting a personal foul is a good one. That really doesn't make sense when you think about it.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:21 am

I thought Roby or whoever was going to destroy both of Kelvin Benjamin's knees, though I guess he's a hard dude to bring down otherwise.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:38 am

This is a league that up until a year ago was touting a company line that, to put concussions into perspective, you can get hurt getting up from the couch. It also thwarted research at all levels regarding CTE.

And fast forward to last night, where, if they call those hits as the ejectable offenses they so clearly needed to be, it will send a resounding message that, yes, football is in the throes of death.

Instead, the NFL has just chosen to view players as they always have: chattel. Next man up. Cost of doing business. Casualties of gameplay.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:48 am

Gunpowder wrote:I thought Roby or whoever was going to destroy both of Kelvin Benjamin's knees, though I guess he's a hard dude to bring down otherwise.

Hard for me to view those hits as dirty anymore since anything shoulder area high is risking a penalty. Not sure how else to get Benjamin down than going low - that one tackle attempt on him from one of the Broncos DBs early in the game where they tried to tackle him on the body was laughable.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:51 am

yeah they need to have the college football rule of hit to the head is an ejection. Also the offsetting penalties rule is dumb. a 5 yard penalty is not equal to a 100 15 yard penalties. Need to march those yards off.

Also the non-flags on the multiple helmet to helmets was pretty bad to be sure, but how exactly was Cam allowed to keep playing? He surely was concussed or at the least deserved to go into concussion protocol, yet nothing. NFL keeps becoming more and more like the NBA with the star system. Guessing if it was Blake Bortles in a meaningless game against the Titans he would be automatically in concussion protocol

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:04 am

For that analogy to work, wouldn't the NBA have to allow defenders to headbutt Steph Curry repeatedly but not remove him from the court even when he's struggling to think thoughts? The NFL is more like the NHL in that they're too stupid to sufficiently punish dirty hits and are going to end up waiting until either someone dies or they're sued into oblivion.

(Speaking of, Parros was added to the DoPS, which will give me a little optimism in that its both someone new and someone really, really smart, but it'll go nowhere. We both know the NHL will just wait and see what the NFL does and follow suit, of course.)

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:30 am

mister d wrote:For that analogy to work, wouldn't the NBA have to allow defenders to headbutt Steph Curry repeatedly but not remove him from the court even when he's struggling to think thoughts? The NFL is more like the NHL in that they're too stupid to sufficiently punish dirty hits and are going to end up waiting until either someone dies or they're sued into oblivion.

(Speaking of, Parros was added to the DoPS, which will give me a little optimism in that its both someone new and someone really, really smart, but it'll go nowhere. We both know the NHL will just wait and see what the NFL does and follow suit, of course.)

I think may well happen is school districts will get sued into a Bolivian once CTE is better understood. The costs to insure the HS football game will sink the game itself.

A parent signs a waiver now, sure...But what happens when the child is fully grown, suffering from CTE, and all of the hits he took are documented in HD on Youtube?

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:21 am

Gonna use into a Bolivian. Always count on Mike... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tLrIkPK8kg and just because he was probably the 2nd only to the other Mike in my lifetime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOHvMqAgcmc

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:51 pm

HaulCitgo wrote:Gonna use into a Bolivian. Always count on Mike... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tLrIkPK8kg and just because he was probably the 2nd only to the other Mike in my lifetime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOHvMqAgcmc

It's an oldie, but goodie.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 1:47 pm

EnochRoot wrote:A parent signs a waiver now, sure...But what happens when the child is fully grown, suffering from CTE, and all of the hits he took are documented in HD on Youtube?

And that's when all of those parents will claim they didn't know what they were getting their sons into even though, present day, those same people are claiming 1980s NFL players knew what they were getting into.

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:27 pm

mister d wrote:
EnochRoot wrote:A parent signs a waiver now, sure...But what happens when the child is fully grown, suffering from CTE, and all of the hits he took are documented in HD on Youtube?
And that's when all of those parents will claim they didn't know what they were getting their sons into even though, present day, those same people are claiming 1980s NFL players knew what they were getting into.

There wasn't any medical evidence then, just basically the NFL doing what it could to make sure evidence wasn't collected.

You know...it's interesting. They added a second 'spotter' to determine if a player's hit to the head necessitates he be taken out of the game. However, if you're going to do that, would it not be prudent to summarily eject a player for an egregious shot to the opposing player's head, and perhaps suspend them for the following week if targeting occurred?

Does anybody else see what's around the corner?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:41 pm

The immediate corner (a dead person) or the further off corner (no football as it looks now)?

EnochRoot · Post by **EnochRoot** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:01 pm

mister d wrote:The immediate corner (a dead person) or the further off corner (no football as it looks now)?

Sorry. I didn't mean to sound so vague/elusive.

I think there's going to be a real likelihood that QBs get targeted because of the chance they'll get removed from the game when their bells get rung. A personal foul aint gonna cut it.

Gunpowder · Post by **Gunpowder** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:03 pm

Make it a timeout near the end of halves.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:18 pm

Wouldn't video review, where some monitor somewhere can stop play and assess a personal foul + ejection, do the most to prevent all this? Like I know you could still send a 4th string DE to go for the kill, but you like to think they wouldn't.

Post by **brian** » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:18 pm

mister d wrote:Wouldn't video review and personal foul + ejections do the most to stop all this? Like I know you could still send a 4th string DE to go for the kill, but you like to think they wouldn't.

Not with only being able to dress 46. Could happen in college I suppose.