2016/2017 NHL Regular Season Thread

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:48 pm

sancarlos wrote:Really dirty play by the Canucks' Jake Virtanen last night. Shoves the head of a prone Carolina player into the boards. (And the broadcasters shrug it off). Virtanen did a dirty hit on Roman Polak last spring, too. He is quickly joining the ranks of Ott, Cooke, Lapierre, etc.

The Canucks local sportsnet broadcast is the most homeric of homers. Calgary and Edmonton talent is much more fair.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:22 pm

This Kreider shit is about as fun as it gets as a fan.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:27 pm

mister d wrote:This Kreider shit is about as fun as it gets as a fan.

He's a stud for sure. Sharks looking listless.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:36 pm

I'm hoping Hertl (idiotically) dropped first there otherwise that's a real bad look for McIlrath.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:36 pm

WTF? Goon McIlraith vs. non-fighter Hertl?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 7:42 pm

McIlrath has no idea what they want out of him. You could see he wasn't really throwing but it was still ridiculous.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:21 am

mister d wrote:Good: Vatanen

Bad: Fowler

More and more confident this will be the case with Miller (and a prospect/pick) going the other way. Vatanen is a big need but this one is going to make me super sad if it happens. And if its for Fowler (and not as a pass for Trouba (which I doubt would be the case given how hard we're scouting)) I'll die. Miller for Fowler and I die.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:05 pm

I don't watch the Ducks closely, and I haven't checked Cam Fowler's Corsi or anything, but is he that bad? He was picked for the Olympic team a couple years ago, and he is on their first power play unit. He was a stud in juniors.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:08 pm

Mr D, or anyone else, what sites are you hitting up for hockey these days? Oiler sent me a text asking that question, and lamenting the loss of General Fanager (and Capgeek and War on Ice before it).

My response to him was, "I'm all about Hockeyviz/@Ineffectivemath/Micah Blake McCurdy (that's all the same guy). I'm not a huge fan of @omgitsdomi. I also don't have them organized into a Twitter list or anything. I'll let you know what else as I come across it. The HockeyPDOcast with Dimitri Filipovich is great. I'd probably start there and deep dive his guests. @RegressedPDO is good too."

bapo! · Post by **bapo!** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:20 pm

sancarlos wrote:I don't watch the Ducks closely, and I haven't checked Cam Fowler's Corsi or anything, but is he that bad? He was picked for the Olympic team a couple years ago, and he is on their first power play unit. He was a stud in juniors.

I was wondering this, too. Every time I see an attack on Fowler, I bleed a little bit.

Dylan Strome update: he played 14 minutes last night, recorded an assist, won 25% of his face-offs. Don't know anything more than that. Not sure if he'll stick in the line-up. The Coyotes lost to Ottawa, 7-4. That's not good.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:26 pm

I'm so pissed that Fanager is going the way of CapGeek. I love those sites.

bapo! · Post by **bapo!** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:40 pm

James Mirtle just tweeted that 10% of current NHL players are eligible for the Calder Trophy (rookie of the year). That number kind of jumps out, but I'm not sure how it compares to previous seasons. And a number of players will be sent back to juniors after a handful of games, so the number is probably meaningless anyway. Also, 10% is like 2 or 3 players per team. So, this is something that sounds really interesting at first, then grows less interesting. Whatever. Still a fun thought/research exercise for anybody willing to do the work.

Mirtle also tweeted that 28% of tonight's Leafs/Jets game is Calder-eligible. That is truly a remarkable number.

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:00 pm

bapo! wrote:James Mirtle just tweeted that 10% of current NHL players are eligible for the Calder Trophy (rookie of the year). That number kind of jumps out, but I'm not sure how it compares to previous seasons. And a number of players will be sent back to juniors after a handful of games, so the number is probably meaningless anyway. Also, 10% is like 2 or 3 players per team. So, this is something that sounds really interesting at first, then grows less interesting. Whatever. Still a fun thought/research exercise for anybody willing to do the work.

Mirtle also tweeted that 28% of tonight's Leafs/Jets game is Calder-eligible. That is truly a remarkable number.

This methodology might suck, but the hockey-reference play index says 884 non-goalies played at least 1 game in 2000-01. 197 of them were rookies. That's 22%. In 2010-11, it was 214 out of 891 (24%).

Lots of call-ups throughout the season I guess?

bapo! · Post by **bapo!** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:05 pm

Ryan wrote:Lots of call-ups throughout the season I guess?

Yeah, there will always be short-term injury call-ups during the season. So, an opening-night roster might be more meaningful than a January roster. Except for the fact that junior-eligible players will be back in juniors by late-October. So, maybe meaningless! Who knows?!

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:24 pm

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:25 pm

If you liked General Fanager and Cap Geek, check out Cap Friendly. https://www.capfriendly.com

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:26 pm

That's a great picture. Those guys are awesome.

I think I mentioned before, I met Joe Thornton boarding a plane one time. It was the offseason and he was wearing board shorts and a t-shirt. Super friendly.

BSF21 · Post by **BSF21** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:54 pm

sancarlos wrote:If you liked General Fanager and Cap Geek, check out Cap Friendly. https://www.capfriendly.com

Thanks los carlos del san!

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:21 pm

sancarlos wrote:I don't watch the Ducks closely, and I haven't checked Cam Fowler's Corsi or anything, but is he that bad? He was picked for the Olympic team a couple years ago, and he is on their first power play unit. He was a stud in juniors.

One of those guys who resides in between what stats and non-stats fans think, but his rep does seem to exceed his production so ... Jack Johnson-y? I imagine he'd be a fine 2LD behind McDonagh but at $4MM per and what I assume would be a high trade cost doesn't interest me.

govmentchedda wrote:Mr D, or anyone else, what sites are you hitting up for hockey these days? Oiler sent me a text asking that question, and lamenting the loss of General Fanager (and Capgeek and War on Ice before it).

Corsica is my go-to these days and the kid who runs it seems to be immature/confrontational enough to keep it going for a while.

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:27 pm

mister d wrote:
sancarlos wrote:I don't watch the Ducks closely, and I haven't checked Cam Fowler's Corsi or anything, but is he that bad? He was picked for the Olympic team a couple years ago, and he is on their first power play unit. He was a stud in juniors.
One of those guys who resides in between what stats and non-stats fans think, but his rep does seem to exceed his production so ... Jack Johnson-y? I imagine he'd be a fine 2LD behind McDonagh but at $4MM per and what I assume would be a high trade cost doesn't interest me.

govmentchedda wrote:Mr D, or anyone else, what sites are you hitting up for hockey these days? Oiler sent me a text asking that question, and lamenting the loss of General Fanager (and Capgeek and War on Ice before it).
Corsica is my go-to these days and the kid who runs it seems to be immature/confrontational enough to keep it going for a while.

Thanks. Also, Kris Russell seems to be widely hated by the hockey stats community.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:49 pm

I'm guessing/betting a lot of stat absolutists are going to look stupid in ~5 years because "best now" doesn't mean "correct". Like the subset of Rangers fans argued Boyle was actually really good and not a guy who will have solid possession numbers almost by accident because he's an offensive defenseman playing impossibly sheltered minutes under a coach who strongly believes in delineated roles. In those instances, context dependencies like zone starts and QoC are acknowledged but waved away as immaterial to the overall conversation. Most of the time they'll acknowledge that of course he wouldn't succeed playing 23 minutes as a top pair shutdown. I've tried to understand how the latter doesn't invalidate the former but its gotten me nowhere. So I like Fenwick (not Corsi so much) at a team level but at a player level its iffy at best and definitely not a catch-all.

That said, Russell almost assuredly will look pretty bad in anything other than bottom pair work because he's of the Girardi/MacDonald school of "absorb the pressure" and that doesn't fly anymore.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 6:21 pm

I think Dan Boyle was once excellent offensively, while competent defensively. Then he got old and the descent was quick. Gotta give Doug Wilson credit for recognizing it was time to cut bait when he did.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:09 pm

Patrik Laine with a hat trick tonight, including the game-tying and game-winning goals. Let's not award the ROY to Auston Matthews just yet.

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:41 am

sancarlos wrote:That's a great picture. Those guys are awesome.

The Sharks' twitter account agrees (that's pretty great).

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:20 am

rass wrote:
sancarlos wrote:That's a great picture. Those guys are awesome.
The Sharks' twitter account agrees (that's pretty great).

Yeah, they're having fun with it. Here's a tweet by Burns, with a picture of two of the Sharks' broadcasters (the between-period TV hosts) imitating the picture of Thornton and Burns.

sancarlos · Post by **sancarlos** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 10:47 am

Watch out, Opus! The Sharks are circling and I think they want Penguins for dinner!

rass · Post by **rass** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:41 pm

I hope Opus got to see the third period!

bapo! · Post by **bapo!** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:10 pm

rass wrote:I hope Opus got to see the third period!

Ha! That was a very cute post earlier, sancarlos, but I think that tonight's game proves that Peyton Manning was nothing more than an average quarterback last year.

wlu_lax6 · Post by **wlu_lax6** » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:14 am

Hockey Quote of the Night

Barry Trotz wrote:Our trainers looked at him; he was just fine, He's missing a piece of his ear. He got chewed up a little bit. It's just a small piece.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:14 pm

The Flames are playing like they're tired of drafting 6th every year

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:46 pm

AV makes it through 6 games before his first veteran-ness over merit healthy scratch. Fucking hate his lineup decisions.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:44 am

Flames in Chicago tonight. Flames awesome Powerplay (1/25, 4.0%) vs Blackhawks awesomer Penalty Killing (9/21, 42.9%)

Post by **brian** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:12 pm

Gotta think if approved and ground broken by next spring this means NHL will expand to Seattle for 2019-2020 season.

ETA: If that happens, gotta think they move Las Vegas to the Central Division and put Seattle in the Pacific since they wouldn't break up Calgary and Edmonton (the only two other teams it would make sense to move.)

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:24 pm

Expansion Seattle and post-Sedins Vancouver should make for a nice, even rivalry.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:40 pm

brian wrote:Gotta think if approved and ground broken by next spring this means NHL will expand to Seattle for 2019-2020 season.

ETA: If that happens, gotta think they move Las Vegas to the Central Division and put Seattle in the Pacific since they wouldn't break up Calgary and Edmonton (the only two other teams it would make sense to move.)

or phoenix to the central

Post by **brian** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 3:42 pm

degenerasian wrote:
brian wrote:Gotta think if approved and ground broken by next spring this means NHL will expand to Seattle for 2019-2020 season.

ETA: If that happens, gotta think they move Las Vegas to the Central Division and put Seattle in the Pacific since they wouldn't break up Calgary and Edmonton (the only two other teams it would make sense to move.)
or phoenix to the central

Yeah, maybe. Guessing they'll be less likely to move a more entrenched team with (theoretically) longer rivalries.

Rams Fanny · Post by **Rams Fanny** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:21 pm

brian wrote:
degenerasian wrote:
brian wrote:Gotta think if approved and ground broken by next spring this means NHL will expand to Seattle for 2019-2020 season.

ETA: If that happens, gotta think they move Las Vegas to the Central Division and put Seattle in the Pacific since they wouldn't break up Calgary and Edmonton (the only two other teams it would make sense to move.)
or phoenix to the central
Yeah, maybe. Guessing they'll be less likely to move a more entrenched team with (theoretically) longer rivalries.

Given our high number of SoCal visitors/transplants, I'm guessing the NHL will be more than happy to market rivalries with LA/Anaheim. Edm and Cal to the Central and Seattle and Vegas to the Pacific would solve all.

Post by **brian** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:26 pm

ETA: never mind, I'm a moron. Yeah, They should move Edmonton and Calgary to the Central, move Colorado to the Pacific and put Seattle in the Pacific. Easy solve.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:35 pm

And then blow it all up when they have to relocate the Coyotes.

degenerasian · Post by **degenerasian** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:57 pm

NHL must be the only league that finds places first than owners later.
and now west has to relocate west and east has to relocate east