To the extent it comes up: Trump crap post-WH years

[DaveInSeattle]

Melania sold her first NFT! To herself!

[rass]

Bloomberg should sell the @crypto handle while it’s hot.

[Johnnie]

SHOCKING.

[EnochRoot]

SHOCKING.

When two prosecutors quit simultaneously in the middle of a major something fucked up happened.

[rass]

I'm sure they'll write a great book about it in a couple of years.

[Johnnie]

[L-Jam3]

Lord help me for saying this, but seemingly every day I wonder how much better America and the world would be if there was a GOP version of Sirhan Sirhan back in late winter 2016.

[mister d]

Or today. Or tomorrow. And instead of Sirhan Sirhan, like a whole group of Sirhan Sirhans.

[mister d]

Saying "everything would be better if this person died" really shouldn't be a controversial statement. Anywhere from McConnell to Carlson to the Sackler family to a local sheriff who is targeting minorities. Their deaths would be net positives.

[tennbengal]

Lord help me for saying this, but seemingly every day I wonder how much better America and the world would be if there was a GOP version of Sirhan Sirhan back in late winter 2016.

you are not alone

[EnochRoot]

Trump, the GOP and Fox News is straight up Russian propaganda at this point.

[sancarlos]

SHOCKING.

When two prosecutors quit simultaneously in the middle of a major something fucked up happened.

[The Sybian]

That Palmer Report sounds like wishful thinking to me. He is basing it on nothing more than speculating one possible good explanation. Even if the DA wanted his own person in charge, seems weird to make the original prosecutors quit without notice and no comment on such a huge case. The prosecutors who quit were hailed as the best and most experienced by legal analysts and former prosecutors, so why force them out now? It doesn’t make much sense. I really hope there was a transition phase where they got the new team up to speed, maybe that could explain the lack of action the past month, but even still, it’s damned hard to take over a case like this towards the end of the grand jury empanelment.

[Steve of phpBB]

That Palmer Report sounds like wishful thinking to me ...

Evergreen post.

[The Sybian]

That Palmer Report sounds like wishful thinking to me ...

Evergreen post.

Ha. I’ve seen other people link to it, but don’t really know anything about it. I heard Elie Honig (former SDNY prosecutor) discuss. He is friends with the new DA, and believes the case is going to fizzle. Cy Vance had the case for 3 years, and if they haven’t gotten anything yet, it’s a bad sign. They have to prove knowledge and intent, and since Trump puts nothing in writing and speaks in Mafioso vagueries, they can’t prove intent no matter how inevitable it is.

Just more fuel for Trump to proclaim “proof” everything is a witch hunt. Obviously declining to prosecute is a far cry from proof of innocence, but facts stopped mattering long ago.

[Steve of phpBB]

That Palmer Report sounds like wishful thinking to me ...

Evergreen post.

Ha. I’ve seen other people link to it, but don’t really know anything about it. I heard Elie Honig (former SDNY prosecutor) discuss. He is friends with the new DA, and believes the case is going to fizzle. Cy Vance had the case for 3 years, and if they haven’t gotten anything yet, it’s a bad sign. They have to prove knowledge and intent, and since Trump puts nothing in writing and speaks in Mafioso vagueries, they can’t prove intent no matter how inevitable it is.

Just more fuel for Trump to proclaim “proof” everything is a witch hunt. Obviously declining to prosecute is a far cry from proof of innocence, but facts stopped mattering long ago.

Yeah, I've been concerned about criminal prosecution for most of the things people are talking about. It is so hard to prove criminal intent.

I think the most obvious crime Trump has committed is Obstruction of Justice, when he publicly threatened Michael Cohen (and possibly others?) if Cohen testified before Congress. I would love to see Trump prosecuted for that.

Otherwise, our best hope is the civil claims against Trump and the Trump Organization.

[tennbengal]

Putting this here…also, I still want to call score board on the argument I had with JoeK on trump having been bought by Russia and the 2016 election being…questionable…

[The Sybian]

Putting this here…also, I still want to call score board on the argument I had with JoeK on trump having been bought by Russia and the 2016 election bring…questionable…

I still think there is a strong possibility Trump didn't even realize he was bought by Russia. I think Manafort orchestrated Trump acting in Russia's interests and Trump is probably too stupid and self-absorbed to realize what he was doing when Manafort directed him. Really fucking scary that they hired Manafort. Hell, Manafort volunteered to take the position as Chair of the Trump campaign despite being millions of dollars in debt.

[mister d]

I respectfully disagree that Trump doesn't know who owns him.

[Nonlinear FC]

This didn't all start with Manafort, though. It started when Russians were able to use Trump Inc. to launder billions of dollars, mainly through shady real estate deals.

[mister d]

I know its hardly a problem isolated to one building, but I wonder what percentage of Trump Tower in the city sits empty with bullshit ownership.

[The Sybian]

I respectfully disagree that Trump doesn't know who owns him.

What I mean is Trump isn't even thinking that much into what he does. He acts impulsively into whatever he thinks will benefit him personally. I don't think he cares about Russian interests per se, but he did want to curry favor because of his dream of owning the tallest building in Moscow and I do believe he is deep in debt to Russian state-owned banks.

I was also thinking about the Trump Tower meeting between Junior, Kushner and Manafort with Russian operative Natasha Veselnitskaya. I just don't think Junior and Kushner are smart enough to understand the magnitude of that meeting. They absolutely knew they were trading for dirt on Hilary, but I don't think they had a clue about the politics behind the Magnitsky Act or why it was so crucial to the Russian Oligarchs to end the sanctions. Manafort brokered the meeting and sure as hell knew, I think he created a message to make Junior think it was a good idea and in Trump's interests when Manafort was acting in Putin's interests and only cared about Trump's interest in so far as he could bribe Trump to act on Putin's behalf.

This didn't all start with Manafort, though. It started when Russians were able to use Trump Inc. to launder billions of dollars, mainly through shady real estate deals.

I have no doubt Trump knowingly laundered money for the Russian mafia for decades. I also think he has been obsessed with building in Russia since the 80s. I think he is excited by the outlaw/mafia mentality and the ability to make billions through shading dealings and kleptocracy.

[Steve of phpBB]

Putting this here…also, I still want to call score board on the argument I had with JoeK on trump having been bought by Russia and the 2016 election being…questionable…

Somewhat relatedly, last night I used my puppet Twitter account to look up our illustrious former Swamper Howard.

He's retweeting some pretty hard core pro-Russia anti-Ukraine stuff.

It's just so damned sad.

[pruitt2]

I respectfully disagree that Trump doesn't know who owns him.

I mean, everyone thinks of Trump as a buffoon, but the guy made it to the Presidency.

It's kind of calming to think of how stupid he may be, but he has yet to be charged in criminal court, has yet to have his properties taken away from him (etc. etc.)

[rass]

Not trodding new ground here but clearly in the current times sweet spot of not as dumb as his enemies/opponents think he is and not as smart as he thinks he is.

[rass]

And speaking of sweet spots there has to be one between turning every tweet that purports to come from the Ukrainian resistance into a GoT meme vs whatever it is that howard seems to be doing.

[degenerasian]

Of course Trump knows who bought him. It all started with the 2013 Miss Universe Pagaent.

[Steve of phpBB]

And speaking of sweet spots there has to be one between turning every tweet that purports to come from the Ukrainian resistance into a GoT meme vs whatever it is that howard seems to be doing.

God, right? I’m entirely willing to believe there’s another side to the story, especially in those Eastern provinces. But that shit he’s retweeting just sounds insane.

[The Sybian]

And speaking of sweet spots there has to be one between turning every tweet that purports to come from the Ukrainian resistance into a GoT meme vs whatever it is that howard seems to be doing.

God, right? I’m entirely willing to believe there’s another side to the story, especially in those Eastern provinces. But that shit he’s retweeting just sounds insane.

Looks like Russian troll farm type shit, just pure propaganda with no basis. It was funny looking back at all the people railing against the US and UK governments and media for making up bullshit about Russia planning to attack and smugly celebrating how smart they were in knowing it was all made up lies.

[EnochRoot]

And speaking of sweet spots there has to be one between turning every tweet that purports to come from the Ukrainian resistance into a GoT meme vs whatever it is that howard seems to be doing.

God, right? I’m entirely willing to believe there’s another side to the story, especially in those Eastern provinces. But that shit he’s retweeting just sounds insane.

Looks like Russian troll farm type shit, just pure propaganda with no basis. It was funny looking back at all the people railing against the US and UK governments and media for making up bullshit about Russia planning to attack and smugly celebrating how smart they were in knowing it was all made up lies.

If he’s forwarding Russian troll farm crap, or you suspect he is, then flag / report his tweets for the misinformation they represent?

[Steve of phpBB]

And speaking of sweet spots there has to be one between turning every tweet that purports to come from the Ukrainian resistance into a GoT meme vs whatever it is that howard seems to be doing.

God, right? I’m entirely willing to believe there’s another side to the story, especially in those Eastern provinces. But that shit he’s retweeting just sounds insane.

Looks like Russian troll farm type shit, just pure propaganda with no basis. It was funny looking back at all the people railing against the US and UK governments and media for making up bullshit about Russia planning to attack and smugly celebrating how smart they were in knowing it was all made up lies.

If he’s forwarding Russian troll farm crap, or you suspect he is, then flag / report his tweets for the misinformation they represent?

We couldn’t do that to Howard.

[Giff]

And speaking of sweet spots there has to be one between turning every tweet that purports to come from the Ukrainian resistance into a GoT meme vs whatever it is that howard seems to be doing.

God, right? I’m entirely willing to believe there’s another side to the story, especially in those Eastern provinces. But that shit he’s retweeting just sounds insane.

Looks like Russian troll farm type shit, just pure propaganda with no basis. It was funny looking back at all the people railing against the US and UK governments and media for making up bullshit about Russia planning to attack and smugly celebrating how smart they were in knowing it was all made up lies.

If he’s forwarding Russian troll farm crap, or you suspect he is, then flag / report his tweets for the misinformation they represent?

We couldn’t do that to Howard.

Why not?

[EnochRoot]

And speaking of sweet spots there has to be one between turning every tweet that purports to come from the Ukrainian resistance into a GoT meme vs whatever it is that howard seems to be doing.

God, right? I’m entirely willing to believe there’s another side to the story, especially in those Eastern provinces. But that shit he’s retweeting just sounds insane.

Looks like Russian troll farm type shit, just pure propaganda with no basis. It was funny looking back at all the people railing against the US and UK governments and media for making up bullshit about Russia planning to attack and smugly celebrating how smart they were in knowing it was all made up lies.

If he’s forwarding Russian troll farm crap, or you suspect he is, then flag / report his tweets for the misinformation they represent?

We couldn’t do that to Howard.

Why not?

If you must, you can even do it with the concern his account has been hacked.

At this point, pro Russian propaganda is useful in Putin’s invasion of a sovereign nation.

[The Sybian]

Howard was always fervently anti-Hillary and anti- The Fed, but I don't remember him having crazy political beliefs. He told me I was taking a break from the Swamp around the time Trump gained steam in the 2016 Primaries, as the Trump stuff was stressing him out. Was he pro-Trump and didn't want to listen to our ranting?

[EnochRoot]

Howard was always fervently anti-Hillary and anti- The Fed, but I don't remember him having crazy political beliefs. He told me I was taking a break from the Swamp around the time Trump gained steam in the 2016 Primaries, as the Trump stuff was stressing him out. Was he pro-Trump and didn't want to listen to our ranting?

He turned me onto Naked Capitalism several years ago. Yikes.

My guess is he's firmly entrenched in a Venn diagram of several libertarian echo chambers and no longer liked the way places like this made him feel.

[Steve of phpBB]

Howard was always fervently anti-Hillary and anti- The Fed, but I don't remember him having crazy political beliefs. He told me I was taking a break from the Swamp around the time Trump gained steam in the 2016 Primaries, as the Trump stuff was stressing him out. Was he pro-Trump and didn't want to listen to our ranting?

I think Howard has always been anti-Trump. But I think he's also very anti-anti-Trump too.

I think his mindset is similar to Glenn Greenwald - the Dem/left/MSNBC establishment was pushing Trump-Russia so hard after the election, and all of those people are evil, therefore it's all bullshit and demands pushback. The fact that they/we were pushing so hard because it was true didn't seem to matter so much.

Howard has always also been very anti-US intervention. (Though pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian which seems pretty inconsistent to me.) I think that plays into his approach to Ukraine.

Anyway, even as an estranged friend, I would not want to report his twitter account. He clearly has not been hacked.

Plus, I don't know 100% that everything he's saying is untrue. I don't think we have much reason to believe that Ukraine is any less racist and ethnically chauvinistic than any other Eastern European people (or the US or anyone else really), so I don't know that we can say that Ukraine is 100% the good guy when it comes to whatever has been happening in those eastern provinces like the Donbas.

And this is not like Covid misinformation. Howard's pro-Russia tweets aren't likely to kill anyone.

[mister d]

The libertarian ideal of existing money having the right to do whatever they want without backlash.

[degenerasian]

He was really against Obama and Obamacare. I can't remember the details but something along the line of destroying healthcare from a doctor's prospective.

[EnochRoot]

Howard was always fervently anti-Hillary and anti- The Fed, but I don't remember him having crazy political beliefs. He told me I was taking a break from the Swamp around the time Trump gained steam in the 2016 Primaries, as the Trump stuff was stressing him out. Was he pro-Trump and didn't want to listen to our ranting?

I think Howard has always been anti-Trump. But I think he's also very anti-anti-Trump too.

I think his mindset is similar to Glenn Greenwald - the Dem/left/MSNBC establishment was pushing Trump-Russia so hard after the election, and all of those people are evil, therefore it's all bullshit and demands pushback. The fact that they/we were pushing so hard because it was true didn't seem to matter so much.

Howard has always also been very anti-US intervention. (Though pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian which seems pretty inconsistent to me.) I think that plays into his approach to Ukraine.

Anyway, even as an estranged friend, I would not want to report his twitter account. He clearly has not been hacked.

Plus, I don't know 100% that everything he's saying is untrue. I don't think we have much reason to believe that Ukraine is any less racist and ethnically chauvinistic than any other Eastern European people (or the US or anyone else really), so I don't know that we can say that Ukraine is 100% the good guy when it comes to whatever has been happening in those eastern provinces like the Donbas.

And this is not like Covid misinformation. Howard's pro-Russia tweets aren't likely to kill anyone.

nah. It just aligns with the world’s most malevolent dictator.

[The Sybian]

nah. It just aligns with the world’s most malevolent dictator.

I'm not sure I even understand the point the pro-Russia people are making. The best I can gather, there is anecdotal evidence that some troops in the Ukranian army harbor Nazi beliefs, so we should cheer for Putin destroying the entire Ukranian army and ousting a popular democratically elected regime to stamp out Naziism? Yet it's OK for a historically horrendous dictator with Nationalistic beliefs to invade and capture a sovereign neighboring nation to attempt to rebuild the Soviet Union? So Russia can get a buffer between NATO nations by invading what is a large buffering nation between Russia and Nato nations?