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Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:21 am
by EnochRoot
tennbengal wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:09 am
EnochRoot wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:29 pm
bfj wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:24 pm
EnochRoot wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:20 pm
bfj wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2023 8:17 pm Ryan Mountcastle with 9 rbi so far tonight.
I'm watching. Rodriguez needs to learn to work the hitter's eyes some more. He'll get there.
I like that he battled and never gave in to try and throw heat by hitters. His off speed stuff disappeared as he got more tired.
McDonald was touching on it a bit. The fact all the hits he gave up were on 0-2 or 1-2 counts, and the # of hitters he got to those same counts 16 of something like 21? Suggests he's not wild enough in the zone. Don't let the hitter focus in on a section of height in the zone. Like I said, he'll figure it out.
Ah, should have read further. That's interesting.

Also, since my seats were down the RF line I could not see side to side and don't know if he was getting squeezed or not. Top of the zone was not being given from where I was sitting in any event.
Yeah when the HP ump rang up an Oriole late in the game with a pitch that was probably a half inch above the zone, it got a comment out of the broadcast booth along the lines of, “well he hasn’t called that all night..”

FWIW, this is the first iteration of the O’s I genuinely like in the 25 years I’ve lived in this town.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:48 am
by MaxWebster
ok i know i'm a dork but I swear it wasn't just me in the house that got a bit misty when this led off the pregame last night...:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/video/our- ... rs-centre/

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:41 pm
by mister d
Exceptionally weird game for the umps in Cleveland.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:25 pm
by Jerloma
mister d wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:41 pm Exceptionally weird game for the umps in Cleveland.
Definitely wasn't a catch but has that ever been a thing? Overturning a call from the scoreboard replay after the other team doesn't challenge it?

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:31 pm
by govmentchedda
You guys' teams are playing baseball too? That's cute.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:40 pm
by L-Jam3
I guess Rafael Ramirez and Dale Sveum have to keep the champagne in the fridge at least one more night.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:47 pm
by mister d
Jerloma wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:25 pm
mister d wrote: Wed Apr 12, 2023 1:41 pm Exceptionally weird game for the umps in Cleveland.
Definitely wasn't a catch but has that ever been a thing? Overturning a call from the scoreboard replay after the other team doesn't challenge it?
Yeah, if you watch the argument he pointed to the scoreboard many times. No one thinks it’s a catch, but there are rules about how to correct mistakes. And Aaron likes to get mad.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:30 pm
by sancarlos

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:28 pm
by A_B
It’s obviously just the top of the first, but I will take donations to not watch the Yankees using mlbtv. 7-0 twins with two outs in top of first.and a lot of hard contact.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 7:46 pm
by degenerasian
Rays are imploding!

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:19 pm
by brian
I think it’ll be interesting to see how many (if any) pitchers the Pitch Clock Era ends the careers of.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 9:01 pm
by L-Jam3
Rob Deer lives!

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:01 pm
by EnochRoot
Giancarlo Stanton's annual two month break begins a bit earlier than expected, but whadya gonna do.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:05 pm
by mister d
At this point I don’t even know what you can do. It’s not like Hicks where it’s something different every time; if Giancarlo gets hurt you can almost guarantee it’s a lower body muscular injury.

On the flipside, Cole struck me as the type who might get a little mind-fucked by the clock, and maybe he still will in “certain games”, but he’s been absolute nails.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:38 pm
by EnochRoot
mister d wrote: Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:05 pm At this point I don’t even know what you can do. It’s not like Hicks where it’s something different every time; if Giancarlo gets hurt you can almost guarantee it’s a lower body muscular injury.

On the flipside, Cole struck me as the type who might get a little mind-fucked by the clock, and maybe he still will in “certain games”, but he’s been absolute nails.
He's surpassed 150 games 3 times in his 14 year career.

FWIW, my favorite injury of his was when he missed half a season for swinging the bat too hard (breaking his hamate bone).

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:44 pm
by mister d
Modern day Glenn Braggs.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:52 pm
by EnochRoot
Oh shit remember when Kal Daniels and Eric Davis were going to take over the baseball world?

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:53 pm
by L-Jam3
I’m not ready to close the book on Giancarlo’s career, and he still has a good shot at Cooperstown. It’s too bad, though, that he wasn’t healthier, because he could’ve ended up with some pretty massive career numbers.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:43 am
by MaxWebster
obviously very early but Alek Manoah has been absolutely brutal this season, no obvious injury tells... utter guy-at-the-bar analysis here but he's always been amped and seems too-amped already this season, his command is so off (e.g. first pitch was HBP yesterday) that i wonder if he is inadvertently rushing himself.
brian wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:19 pm I think it’ll be interesting to see how many (if any) pitchers the Pitch Clock Era ends the careers of.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:35 am
by degenerasian
MaxWebster wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:43 am obviously very early but Alek Manoah has been absolutely brutal this season, no obvious injury tells... utter guy-at-the-bar analysis here but he's always been amped and seems too-amped already this season, his command is so off (e.g. first pitch was HBP yesterday) that i wonder if he is inadvertently rushing himself.
brian wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:19 pm I think it’ll be interesting to see how many (if any) pitchers the Pitch Clock Era ends the careers of.
Yup I think he's out of shape too. Used to take extra time to catch his breath which he can't anymore

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:44 pm
by mister d
Maybe he should try some sticky stuff.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:51 pm
by MaxWebster
if he needs time to catch his breath before the first pitch of the game there are some deeper problems than anyone would care to admit to...
degenerasian wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:35 am
MaxWebster wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:43 am obviously very early but Alek Manoah has been absolutely brutal this season, no obvious injury tells... utter guy-at-the-bar analysis here but he's always been amped and seems too-amped already this season, his command is so off (e.g. first pitch was HBP yesterday) that i wonder if he is inadvertently rushing himself.
brian wrote: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:19 pm I think it’ll be interesting to see how many (if any) pitchers the Pitch Clock Era ends the careers of.
Yup I think he's out of shape too. Used to take extra time to catch his breath which he can't anymore

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:01 pm
by mister d
I had no idea the Twins traded Arraez to Florida for Lopez until yesterday.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:11 pm
by MaxWebster
A Real Old-Time Baseball Trade!™

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:13 pm
by Johnnie
Minnesota/Boston ended with a weird bounce off of the right field wall so there was confusion as to whether it was fair or not.



Tucson's own Alex Verdugo verbalizes what we all were thinking:


Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 10:26 pm
by mister d
MaxWebster wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:11 pm A Real Old-Time Baseball Trade!™
Right? I went back and forth twice and still don’t know who I think fucked the other team. It’s great.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:51 am
by brian
brian wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:24 pm I predict the As announce their move to Vegas by the All-Star Break.

Not sure where they’ll build the permanent location (my guess is the current Rio site with some kind of people mover across I-15 on Flamingo) but they’ll temporarily expand Las Vegas Ballpark to accommodate 18,000 for 2024 and 2025 while it’s being built.
And that’s that. Oakland moving to Las Vegas officially.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:45 am
by MaxWebster
yeah just gross and shameful and not surprising in any way.


From Craig Calcaterra's daily newsletter:
Craig Calcaterra wrote:The Daily Briefing

The Athletics are Vegas-bound

The Oakland A’s have entered into a binding agreed to purchase 49 acres north of the Raiders’ Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas with the hopes of having a new stadium ready to start the 2027 season. They are likewise closing in on a binding agreement to construct a $1 billion stadium. The team’s official statement:

“The A’s have signed a binding agreement to purchase land for a future ballpark in Las Vegas. We realize this is a difficult day for our Oakland fans and community.

“For more than 20 years, the A’s have focused on securing a new home for the Club, and have invested unprecedented time and resources for the past six years to build a ballpark in Oakland. Even with support from fans, leaders at the city, county, and state level, and throughout the broader community, the process to build a new ballpark in Oakland has made little forward progress for some time. We have made a strong and sincere effort to stay here.”

“We recognize that this is very hard to hear. We are disappointed that we have been unable to achieve our shared vision of a waterfront ballpark. As we shift our focus to Vegas, we will continue to share details about next steps.”

Shen Thao, the mayor of Oakland had this to say:

“It is clear to me that the A’s have no intention of staying in Oakland and have simply been using this process to try to extract a better deal out of Las Vegas. I am not interested in continuing to play that game - the fans and our residents deserve better . . . I refuse to compromise the safety and well-being of our residents. Given these realities, we are ceasing negotiations and moving forward on alternatives for the redevelopment of Howard Terminal.”

In a statement to the Las Vegas Review-Journal Rob Manfred said: “We support the A’s turning their focus on Las Vegas and look forward to them bringing finality to this process by the end of the year.”

As for the stadium, The Nevada Independent reports that the governor and state legislators are on board with the deal. It sounds like the usual situation: the politicians are saying there will be “no new taxes” to pay for it yet they are concocting an elaborate special taxing district, diverting, sales taxes, and are using terms like “public-private partnership” which means that hundreds of millions of dollars in public funds are, without question, going to the A’s and their stadium.

Las Vegas will be the fourth city that the A’s call home, having played in Philadelphia from their founding in 1901 through 1954, and moving to Kansas City and playing there from 1955 through 1967. They have been in Oakland for the past 55 years, longer than any other city. They have, quite obviously, however, had one foot out the door for a long time.

The A’s spent many years under two different ownership regimes to figure out a way to stay in the Bay Area, looking at sites in San Jose, Fremont and, for the past several years, in and around Oakland. While for a long time they seemed committed to staying put in the East Bay, ever since the possibility of Las Vegas arose a couple of years ago it’s seemed pretty clear that they’ve been using Oakland as a bargaining chip and had no plans to stay. As it is, they have slashed the payroll, raised ticket prices in an effort to squeeze more money out of fans, and now they stand as one of the worst teams in recent baseball history.

Oakland baseball fans deserve better. They’ve been taken advantage of like crazy all so John Fisher and Dave Kaval can get another billion bucks or two in their pockets. As it stands now the team is supposed to finish this season in Oakland and play there three more seasons before heading to the desert. One can only hope that everyone realizes how awkward that is and that they just pick up and move now and play in some temporary location to save everyone the indignities of more bad baseball in a vermin-ridden stadium with empty seats. Most of all, they can save everyone the indignity of John Fisher and Dave Kaval making a single penny from the people and city of Oakland.

The A’s now have the pile of chips in front of them that they wanted. It’s time for them to collect their winnings, cash out, and hit the road.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:04 am
by Rex
The A’s belong to Philadelphia. End of story.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:16 am
by mister d
I don't know what cities can do to fuck over owners/teams that are leaving, but Oakland for sure should do something.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:20 am
by rass
Special consultant to the Oakland city transportation department, Chris Christie.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:27 am
by degenerasian
mister d wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:16 am I don't know what cities can do to fuck over owners/teams that are leaving, but Oakland for sure should do something.
Like what? Oakland had years to build a new stadium and haven't. People aren't buying tickets to support the team either.

The Calgary Flames are in the pre-being-moved stage right now. We've been in new arena talks for a decade. Saddledome is falling apart. We're the Oakland As of hockey! The last new arena built in the NHL was 2017 in Detroit (Vegas and Seattle don't count). Even if the Flames made a deal today, we're looking at 2027. The mayor and the citizens aren't interested in the $300 million municipal potion that is being negotiated so it's going nowhere. They don't want to do the Edmonton deal so the Flames will probably go to Houston in a few years.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:30 am
by mister d
Right, Oakland didn't siphon money away from schools and shit to build the Gap heir (net worth >$2B) so he let them play in sewage until he could leave. Fuck him out the door.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:34 am
by Steve of phpBB
I had some lawyer tell me yesterday he heard the A's might move here, as a local group just recently launched an effort to compete for an MLB expansion team.

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2023/4/12/ ... -announced

Lol. There have to be a half-dozen markets more suitable for major league baseball than SLC.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:39 pm
by brian
When the stadium is built there will be 3 pro venues within a mile of each other (Allegiant, T-Mobile and TBD As stadium) that will be as inconvenient to get to despite the proximity as can possibly be imagined. (All are on side roads along I-15).

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:40 pm
by brian
Probably spoiled by Detroit where you can easily walk from Little Caesars to Comerica Park/Ford Field and parking is fairly plentiful.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:50 pm
by brian
Also fascinated to see what happens with the current Triple A stadium in Vegas which is only 5 years old and cost $150 million.

It’s in a prime location next to Red Rock Casino, City National Arena (VGK practice facility) and Downtown Summerlin shopping center. The smart move would be to convince 4 Cactus League teams to do Spring Training there (including presumably the As).

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:04 pm
by MaxWebster
subscribed.

can't blame the fans a bit for this (literal) shit.

interesting that they "couldn't build" (read: couldn't sucker the taxpayers/pols to pay for it) a waterfront stadium so now they'll build a brand new one in the desert.
mister d wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:30 am Right, Oakland didn't siphon money away from schools and shit to build the Gap heir (net worth >$2B) so he let them play in sewage until he could leave. Fuck him out the door.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:37 pm
by L-Jam3
Drew Smyly is doing something interesting if done with this Arsenal game.

EYA: eh, never mind.

Re: 2023 MLB Regular Season

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:40 pm
by degenerasian
L-Jam3 wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:37 pm Drew Smyly is doing something interesting if done with this Arsenal game.
jinx it