20th anniversary of 9/11

[brian]

I mean, the coverage is honestly probably going to be overwhelming. I think there's enough distance that a lot of broadcasters might not be as reticent to show the planes striking the towers and the towers falling over and over again. For anyone with any kind of PTSD about that day, the next few weeks are likely to be really triggering. Anyway, that's why the special thread.

The reason for the post is that I did not have Spike Lee being a 9/11 truther on my bingo card.

[rass]

#bamboozled #insideman

[Shirley]

Jesus. Why do otherwise smart people seem to think that the steel beams had to actually melt to collapse?

[L-Jam3]

Jesus. Why do otherwise smart people seem to think that the steel beams had to actually melt to collapse?

Have you seen America the last 18 months?

[duff]

Jesus. Why do otherwise smart people seem to think that the steel beams had to actually melt to collapse?

Wait, Spike Lee smart? Sure he makes some decent movies, but the man is a Knicks fan. Enough said.

[Johnnie]

If I were a civilian I'd post about January 6th and how you should #NeverForget a bunch of MAGAt feral hogs attacked the Capitol in an attempted coup to overthrow the government despite a free and fair election.

I'm kinda over the imposed guilt about that day when so many people don't really give a fuck.

Instead, I'm going to ignore social media as much as I can and not comment.

[Shirley]

Jesus. Why do otherwise smart people seem to think that the steel beams had to actually melt to collapse?

Wait, Spike Lee smart? Sure he makes some decent movies, but the man is a Knicks fan. Enough said.

Sports make us all stupid at times.

[degenerasian]

Did you guys see Spike Lee at Cannes last month? He mistakenly announced the best picture winner 5 minutes into the show.

[Nonlinear FC]

I don't even have the energy to express how over all this shit I am.

[Pruitt]

I don't even have the energy to express how over all this shit I am.

It was the earliest "truther" comments that really previewed what the future would hold.

Not even a matter of (as people said back then) "or, the terrorists will win" - more a matter of "the homegrown idiots will win." Which I think we can see has happened. Some of the responses to the events of 9/11 sadly exposed just how gullible and stupid people are.

[mister d]

Are we allowed to express any skepticism about whether the Bush admin was taken completely off guard? And not just "if he'd read his memos"?

[Pruitt]

Are we allowed to express any skepticism about whether the Bush admin was taken completely off guard? And not just "if he'd read his memos"?

I think we've seen enough through the years - both before and after 9/11 - to see that the US security apparatus, the State Department and the Military is far, far less than 100% competent.

[rass]

I can’t cross the line to “they let it happen” if you mean that they wanted the towers to be hit. So did they mean for it to progress to a certain point and were gonna intervene before it hit the end game and blew it? Seems like a tough sell, too.

[P.D.X.]

'negligence' could suffice

[Nonlinear FC]

Yeah, I think the idea that there was an awareness, but no action was taken as a conspiracy theory assigns a level of competency that just doesn't align with reality.

I think people forget or just don't understand that the FBI was very much a decentralized organization, especially with regards to investigatory databases and information sharing, back when this all went down. They were also not tracking foreign terrorist threats back then. At least not on a scale that would coordinate efforts in any actionable/significant way.

So, yeah, it seems obvious that someone in the Minneapolis field office flagging some Saudis taking flight lessons SHOULD have triggered something, but... It's also not at all surprising that it didn't go anywhere. LOTS of dudes come over here and take flight lessons, we are a global leader on this front.

[brian]

Credit where credit is due.

[rass]

From the front lawn

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[Brontoburglar]

preemptive plea: stop telling me to never forget a moment that's defined my adult american life and something that changed the course of the 2000s united states forever because how in the hell could that be forgettable in any way shape or form

[mister d]

From the front lawn

Saw that tonight while our 10u team was kicking the shit out of South Plainfield (by one).

[A_B]

My wife is at Seatac now about to fly home on 9/11. I know there’s really no reason to be worried but it isn’t the easiest thing to come to grips with. I doubt I’ll get much sleep and I know it’s unreasonable.

[Tom 1860]

I met a girl from the US in a bar in Dublin who claimed on the night of the Super Bowl in 2002 that U2 had saved Rock and Roll following their half-time show. Never have more people died for less...

[rass]

I met a girl from the US in a bar in Dublin who claimed on the night of the Super Bowl in 2002 that U2 had saved Rock and Roll following their half-time show. Never have more people died for less...

Worst Penthouse Letter ever…

[Tom 1860]

I met a girl from the US in a bar in Dublin who claimed on the night of the Super Bowl in 2002 that U2 had saved Rock and Roll following their half-time show. Never have more people died for less...

Worst Penthouse Letter ever…

Wales also got reamed by Ireland that weekend (54-10) and Brady won his first SB

[brian]

My wife is at Seatac now about to fly home on 9/11. I know there’s really no reason to be worried but it isn’t the easiest thing to come to grips with. I doubt I’ll get much sleep and I know it’s unreasonable.

I specifically planned a vacation around Sept 11, 2002 because it was dirt cheap to travel that week.

[A_B]

Yeah she landed in lex and is almost home.

[HaulCitgo]

9/11 footage looks like 1980. Getting old.

[The Sybian]

Yeah, I think the idea that there was an awareness, but no action was taken as a conspiracy theory assigns a level of competency that just doesn't align with reality.

I think people forget or just don't understand that the FBI was very much a decentralized organization, especially with regards to investigatory databases and information sharing, back when this all went down. They were also not tracking foreign terrorist threats back then. At least not on a scale that would coordinate efforts in any actionable/significant way.

So, yeah, it seems obvious that someone in the Minneapolis field office flagging some Saudis taking flight lessons SHOULD have triggered something, but... It's also not at all surprising that it didn't go anywhere. LOTS of dudes come over here and take flight lessons, we are a global leader on this front.

Completely agree. There was a shocking lack of information sharing between various agencies tasked with similar jobs, like preventing terrorist attacks. In many ways, there were laws preventing sharing information across Departments, so they couldn't share information. That was a large reason for the creation of DHS.

[Johnnie]

Social media is predictably insufferable today.

If I were a civilian with no job I'd totally love to drop an #AllTerroristAttacksMatter with January 6th, Khobar Towers, the USS Cole,...etc.

But mostly that first one.

[L-Jam3]

Social media is predictably insufferable today.

I put something on the ‘Gram today. I wanted to keep it somewhat understated and subtle. I’m glad I don’t have FB anymore for stuff like today.

[Johnnie]

[Rex]

This fucking guy

[brian]

How many of the 3,000 9/11 victims would have been future Trump voters? FDNY, NYPD, Pentagon, hedge fund/Wall Street guys, lawyers. At least 65 percent, right?

[L-Jam3]

Way to make a giant fart in the middle of the funeral, Brian.

[L-Jam3]

How many of the 3,000 9/11 victims would have been future Trump voters? FDNY, NYPD, Pentagon, hedge fund/Wall Street guys, lawyers. At least 65 percent, right?

The more I think about it, that was a really shitty thing to say. “Hey, 9/11 was bad and all, but at least there was around 2100 fewer Trump voters in New York.”

I don’t even think Delaware would’ve said that.

[Johnnie]

I wouldn't have been this nice in my comparison, but it works.

Still though, fuck GWB.

George Bush Delights Democrats, Infuriates MAGA World With Veiled Jan. 6, 9/11 Comparison

[brian]

How many of the 3,000 9/11 victims would have been future Trump voters? FDNY, NYPD, Pentagon, hedge fund/Wall Street guys, lawyers. At least 65 percent, right?

The more I think about it, that was a really shitty thing to say. “Hey, 9/11 was bad and all, but at least there was around 2100 fewer Trump voters in New York.”

I don’t even think Delaware would’ve said that.

I never said I’m glad they died. 2000 people couldn’t swing elections in NY or NJ anyway. In all honesty, it was just a thought that occurred to me.

[bfj]

Never realized just how close Hood was to the destruction that day. Check out his Twitter feed for pics.

[mister d]

I don’t even think Delaware would’ve said that.

Feels like this some bullshit to prevent me from commenting if there’s ever a “tragedy” at Lincoln Financial.

[The Sybian]

Never realized just how close Hood was to the destruction that day. Check out his Twitter feed for pics.

I remember his detailing watching people jump and hearing them hit the street. His writing was so descriptive, it stuck with me.

I just read a really interesting article about the ferry evacuations from the Financial District. I was watching from a park in Hoboken when the first tower fell, and very soon after, the ferries were dropping people off and they were all going to that park. Most covered in white dust, their faces had a distant, detached look from being in shock. It was haunting, and as the park started to fill, my roommate and I left to get out of the way.

It took me hours to get a call through to my parents. My mom told me to go outside and do something to distract me from the anxiety, but the streets were still full of the white dusted zombies in suits, military helicopters flying low enough you could make out the faces of the soldiers hanging out the open doors with rifles readied. And the plume of smoke coming from the burning pit where the towers stood, stretching for several miles north over Manhattan. A cloud that was visible from space, and hung over the City for weeks. Fuck, I remember for months, stopping and listening every time I’d hear a plane flying over heard, calculating where the Empire State Building or nearest potential target, and thinking about the best direction to run.

[L-Jam3]

I don’t even think Delaware would’ve said that.

Feels like this some bullshit to prevent me from commenting if there’s ever a “tragedy” at Lincoln Financial.

Never forget… the Lions hired a rapist who gave up 41 points to Nick Foles.