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CUBE LIFE! Office Etiquette
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My IT department is pissed today, they moved into an open office. They've gone from high cubicles to tables. It looks like a call center in there.
This absolutely won't work as they have more and more zoom meetings with the hybrid schedule that we have (3 days on, 2 WFH). I called one of them on the phone this morning and could hear 5 other people talking. I have a meeting with IT this afternoon, was supposed to be on Zoom but since we're all here today I'm moving it to a meeting room.
Another CIO with a bright idea.
This absolutely won't work as they have more and more zoom meetings with the hybrid schedule that we have (3 days on, 2 WFH). I called one of them on the phone this morning and could hear 5 other people talking. I have a meeting with IT this afternoon, was supposed to be on Zoom but since we're all here today I'm moving it to a meeting room.
Another CIO with a bright idea.
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I think we all know… AB IS A PEOPLE PERSON!!
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ha - that's absolute lunacy. my previous job had "short walls" which were pointless - entire giant room was an open office with ppl on the phones loudly all day in the same room as developers. real great for concentration. (worst company i've worked for out of a long list...)
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:21 am My IT department is pissed today, they moved into an open office. They've gone from high cubicles to tables. It looks like a call center in there.
This absolutely won't work as they have more and more zoom meetings with the hybrid schedule that we have (3 days on, 2 WFH). I called one of them on the phone this morning and could hear 5 other people talking. I have a meeting with IT this afternoon, was supposed to be on Zoom but since we're all here today I'm moving it to a meeting room.
Another CIO with a bright idea.
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What is the reasoning for this? So the manager can watch everyone? I've never met a person who liked this concept. This CIO was hired a few years ago and it's all buzzwords and bureaucracy with him.
MaxWebster wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:54 am ha - that's absolute lunacy. my previous job had "short walls" which were pointless - entire giant room was an open office with ppl on the phones loudly all day in the same room as developers. real great for concentration. (worst company i've worked for out of a long list...)
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:21 am My IT department is pissed today, they moved into an open office. They've gone from high cubicles to tables. It looks like a call center in there.
This absolutely won't work as they have more and more zoom meetings with the hybrid schedule that we have (3 days on, 2 WFH). I called one of them on the phone this morning and could hear 5 other people talking. I have a meeting with IT this afternoon, was supposed to be on Zoom but since we're all here today I'm moving it to a meeting room.
Another CIO with a bright idea.
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these are not smart people.
ladder-climbers to be sure and if you want to count that as a skill go ahead but ppl/managers like that serve little-to-no purpose. i feel like i've worked long enough and at enough places to realize who the frauds are and 10/10 times its the ones using the acronyms/agile-concepts-with-no-realistic-work-basis/buzzwords.
ladder-climbers to be sure and if you want to count that as a skill go ahead but ppl/managers like that serve little-to-no purpose. i feel like i've worked long enough and at enough places to realize who the frauds are and 10/10 times its the ones using the acronyms/agile-concepts-with-no-realistic-work-basis/buzzwords.
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:25 am What is the reasoning for this? So the manager can watch everyone? I've never met a person who liked this concept. This CIO was hired a few years ago and it's all buzzwords and bureaucracy with him.
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The real reason is cost. It allows you to reduce the space required per employee. Happy side effect it allows for supervisors/managers to "keep an eye" people and make sure they're working and not surfing the internet or whatever. The excuse given is that it allows for better collaboration, etc. but that's a bullshit excuse.degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:25 am What is the reasoning for this? So the manager can watch everyone? I've never met a person who liked this concept. This CIO was hired a few years ago and it's all buzzwords and bureaucracy with him.
MaxWebster wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:54 am ha - that's absolute lunacy. my previous job had "short walls" which were pointless - entire giant room was an open office with ppl on the phones loudly all day in the same room as developers. real great for concentration. (worst company i've worked for out of a long list...)
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:21 am My IT department is pissed today, they moved into an open office. They've gone from high cubicles to tables. It looks like a call center in there.
This absolutely won't work as they have more and more zoom meetings with the hybrid schedule that we have (3 days on, 2 WFH). I called one of them on the phone this morning and could hear 5 other people talking. I have a meeting with IT this afternoon, was supposed to be on Zoom but since we're all here today I'm moving it to a meeting room.
Another CIO with a bright idea.
I read a story 5-6 years ago that the amount office space per employee is half what it was in the 1970's (it was pre-COVID but I don't know if the study took into account manufacturing, people working from home, etc. so I don't know how true it was)
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Bingo. It's just cheaper. This is kind of ironic with the push to return to the office, but whatever.GoodKarma wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:45 pmThe real reason is cost. It allows you to reduce the space required per employee. Happy side effect it allows for supervisors/managers to "keep an eye" people and make sure they're working and not surfing the internet or whatever. The excuse given is that it allows for better collaboration, etc. but that's a bullshit excuse.degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:25 am What is the reasoning for this? So the manager can watch everyone? I've never met a person who liked this concept. This CIO was hired a few years ago and it's all buzzwords and bureaucracy with him.
MaxWebster wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:54 am ha - that's absolute lunacy. my previous job had "short walls" which were pointless - entire giant room was an open office with ppl on the phones loudly all day in the same room as developers. real great for concentration. (worst company i've worked for out of a long list...)
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:21 am My IT department is pissed today, they moved into an open office. They've gone from high cubicles to tables. It looks like a call center in there.
This absolutely won't work as they have more and more zoom meetings with the hybrid schedule that we have (3 days on, 2 WFH). I called one of them on the phone this morning and could hear 5 other people talking. I have a meeting with IT this afternoon, was supposed to be on Zoom but since we're all here today I'm moving it to a meeting room.
Another CIO with a bright idea.
BTW, decent headsets can help with the issue of people in close proximity on calls. It can make a huge difference. They should ask the company to buy them too.
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Yep. I have a very loud, news room type office environment. Headphones are your friends.
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Well I fucking will now.
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This is interesting and I agree it's cheaper but it's not company-wide. Only IT decided to do this. Communications and Marketing (who you'd think would benefit from openness and collaboration) they just moved to another floor and it's ALL offices. Not even high cubicles like mine, full offices.Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:03 pmBingo. It's just cheaper. This is kind of ironic with the push to return to the office, but whatever.GoodKarma wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 12:45 pmThe real reason is cost. It allows you to reduce the space required per employee. Happy side effect it allows for supervisors/managers to "keep an eye" people and make sure they're working and not surfing the internet or whatever. The excuse given is that it allows for better collaboration, etc. but that's a bullshit excuse.degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 11:25 am What is the reasoning for this? So the manager can watch everyone? I've never met a person who liked this concept. This CIO was hired a few years ago and it's all buzzwords and bureaucracy with him.
MaxWebster wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:54 am ha - that's absolute lunacy. my previous job had "short walls" which were pointless - entire giant room was an open office with ppl on the phones loudly all day in the same room as developers. real great for concentration. (worst company i've worked for out of a long list...)
degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 10:21 am My IT department is pissed today, they moved into an open office. They've gone from high cubicles to tables. It looks like a call center in there.
This absolutely won't work as they have more and more zoom meetings with the hybrid schedule that we have (3 days on, 2 WFH). I called one of them on the phone this morning and could hear 5 other people talking. I have a meeting with IT this afternoon, was supposed to be on Zoom but since we're all here today I'm moving it to a meeting room.
Another CIO with a bright idea.
BTW, decent headsets can help with the issue of people in close proximity on calls. It can make a huge difference. They should ask the company to buy them too.
Kung Fu movies are like porn. There's 1 on 1, then 2 on 1, then a group scene..
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Marketing makes money. IT is a cost center. Marketing is also way more likely to have an influential exec making decisions than IT.degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:12 pmThis is interesting and I agree it's cheaper but it's not company-wide. Only IT decided to do this. Communications and Marketing (who you'd think would benefit from openness and collaboration) they just moved to another floor and it's ALL offices. Not even high cubicles like mine, full offices.
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Absolutely true!Shirley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:10 pmMarketing makes money. IT is a cost center. Marketing is also way more likely to have an influential exec making decisions than IT.degenerasian wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 2:12 pmThis is interesting and I agree it's cheaper but it's not company-wide. Only IT decided to do this. Communications and Marketing (who you'd think would benefit from openness and collaboration) they just moved to another floor and it's ALL offices. Not even high cubicles like mine, full offices.
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Before the pandemic, I sat in a "Bull Pen" type area, with the low cubes and about 43 people. It was way too crowded, and loud.Nonlinear FC wrote: ↑Wed Oct 25, 2023 1:15 pm Yep. I have a very loud, news room type office environment. Headphones are your friends.
Now, post-pandemic and post layoffs, when I go in and sit in the same area, there may be 2 or 3 other people there.
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So there i was sitting in the waiting room letting my allergy shots take effect when I get an email that I've been tentatively selected for a GS position I applied to. I didn't think I'd get this job because the interview was quite haphazard and quick -- like a 12 minute phone call start to finish. It wasn't even over Zoom.
Then an hour later the county called about the position I applied to with them and I have an in-person Friday interview with a follow up assessment afterward. Each are 40 minutes.
In the meantime, I reached out to get set up with a mentor through American Corporate Partners and apply to a program through FourBlock that offers a once a week Zoom call that let's corporate America come to your for job prospects.
So, finally something is going right for me. I guess since it's a new fiscal year there's money in the budget to hire people. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself.
Then an hour later the county called about the position I applied to with them and I have an in-person Friday interview with a follow up assessment afterward. Each are 40 minutes.
In the meantime, I reached out to get set up with a mentor through American Corporate Partners and apply to a program through FourBlock that offers a once a week Zoom call that let's corporate America come to your for job prospects.
So, finally something is going right for me. I guess since it's a new fiscal year there's money in the budget to hire people. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself.
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Sounds promising. You will probably end up with three offers all at the same time.Johnnie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:13 pm So there i was sitting in the waiting room letting my allergy shots take effect when I get an email that I've been tentatively selected for a GS position I applied to. I didn't think I'd get this job because the interview was quite haphazard and quick -- like a 12 minute phone call start to finish. It wasn't even over Zoom.
Then an hour later the county called about the position I applied to with them and I have an in-person Friday interview with a follow up assessment afterward. Each are 40 minutes.
In the meantime, I reached out to get set up with a mentor through American Corporate Partners and apply to a program through FourBlock that offers a once a week Zoom call that let's corporate America come to your for job prospects.
So, finally something is going right for me. I guess since it's a new fiscal year there's money in the budget to hire people. Or at least that's what I'm telling myself.
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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Fiscal years start on many different dates at different companies. That's not why you're getting looks. It's because you're qualified. Good luck, man.
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Glad to hear it, Johnnie. Go, get ‘em!
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The interview for the county job went well it seems because I got a call this morning from them wanting to hire me.
But I turned it down because of the GS job on base that I'll be accepting.
I had never interviewed in person before, so that was a bit different than Zoom calls. I wasn't nervous or anxious at all during it. If anything the sampling of questions I asked them at the end put them on the spot and they seemed pleasantly surprised I was so inquisitive.
But I turned it down because of the GS job on base that I'll be accepting.
I had never interviewed in person before, so that was a bit different than Zoom calls. I wasn't nervous or anxious at all during it. If anything the sampling of questions I asked them at the end put them on the spot and they seemed pleasantly surprised I was so inquisitive.
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Congratulations, Johnnie!Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:58 pm The interview for the county job went well it seems because I got a call this morning from them wanting to hire me.
But I turned it down because of the GS job on base that I'll be accepting.
I had never interviewed in person before, so that was a bit different than Zoom calls. I wasn't nervous or anxious at all during it. If anything the sampling of questions I asked them at the end put them on the spot and they seemed pleasantly surprised I was so inquisitive.
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Congrats man!
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That's awesome, Johnnie. Congratulations!
And his one problem is he didn’t go to Russia that night because he had extracurricular activities, and they froze to death.
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Congrats, bud! Funny that it took awhile, and then you had TWO options.
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NICE!!!!
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Mazel Tov! What does the job entail?
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Congrats Johnnie!
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Congrats Johnnie!
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Nice work, Johnnie!
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Thanks, everyone! I'm very much excited to get back into the workforce again.
Oddly enough when I first crossed trained into that job I was given the UDM responsibility as an additional duty. So now it'll be my only duty.
(And yes, I've said numerous times I'd never do a job like that again, but I needed a job and the GS system is pretty awesome. So I have to swallow my pride a bit here.)
Hopefully this link still works. It has more formal wording: https://www.usajobs.gov/Job/748161200
It's a job that's in the same realm of what I did while I was in, Unit Deployment Manager. I ensure that personnel and cargo are clear to move to get to deployed locations when the time comes. My active duty job (Logistics Plans) was to train UDMs and maintain the program base-wide. With this job I'll just manage one squadron.
Oddly enough when I first crossed trained into that job I was given the UDM responsibility as an additional duty. So now it'll be my only duty.
(And yes, I've said numerous times I'd never do a job like that again, but I needed a job and the GS system is pretty awesome. So I have to swallow my pride a bit here.)
Hopefully this link still works. It has more formal wording: https://www.usajobs.gov/Job/748161200
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(sincerely - congrats johnnie)
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Johnnie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 9:50 pm Thanks, everyone! I'm very much excited to get back into the workforce again.
It's a job that's in the same realm of what I did while I was in, Unit Deployment Manager. I ensure that personnel and cargo are clear to move to get to deployed locations when the time comes. My active duty job (Logistics Plans) was to train UDMs and maintain the program base-wide. With this job I'll just manage one squadron.
Oddly enough when I first crossed trained into that job I was given the UDM responsibility as an additional duty. So now it'll be my only duty.
(And yes, I've said numerous times I'd never do a job like that again, but I needed a job and the GS system is pretty awesome. So I have to swallow my pride a bit here.)
Hopefully this link still works. It has more formal wording: https://www.usajobs.gov/Job/748161200
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Congrats Johnnie!
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I will never understand how people who fly so often for work have zero idea how airlines operate.
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Given your job aren’t these also people who are used to having things taken care of for them?DSafetyGuy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:20 pm I will never understand how people who fly so often for work have zero idea how airlines operate.
ETA: Though you’re right of course.
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Though my job is (by design) about the farthest thing from cube life I’ll try to stick job updates here but heading to Phoenix tomorrow for Knight’s “Top Gun” training program. They only have 8 spots a week so it’s not a thing that all new hires get to do. It’s an intensive program covering a lot of things new drivers need to deal with. It’s pretty cool because they have state-of-the-art simulators and you even get to sleep in the trucks to experience what that’s like before you actually get out on the road.
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