Roger Godell's Terrible No Good Bad (Infinity) - the whoopin

Joe K · Post by **Joe K** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:52 am

HaulCitgo wrote:NFL is being thrust into the deep end of social ills beyond what government has been willing to address.

As Bengal pointed out, Goodell brought this on himself by making his personal conduct suspensions a centerpiece of his public image. How many nauseating articles were written about "Sheriff" Goodell and all the great work he was doing keeping players under control? But as it turned out, his suspensions did nothing to actually reduce the rate of off-field incidents (real shocker that guys committing violent crimes don't think rationally about the potential consequences), and Goodell is simply not capable of administering discipline in a fair and consistent manner. I don't know if the owners will fire him, but I think they have to completely revamp how personal conduct discipline is handled.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:56 am

Weatherfrog wrote:Something I find interesting when scandals of this nature are revealed is how many people become moral absolutists. I regularly get in arguments with people who claim that moral relativism has won the day and that there are no moral absolutes. Then some big scandal happens and I am bombarded by people who are completely certain that the actor in the scandal is a terrible person and how can anyone see it any other way without also being a terrible person.

You can have moral absolutes in a vacuum. A good starting point is "causing the least amount of suffering for the least amount of people" or "acts that infringe upon other people's autonomy are immoral." From there you still have to look at the scenario though. Me shooting AP in the kneecap would be immoral. Me shooting AP in the kneecap because he's beating the shit out of his 4 year old is another story.

I can't really think of a scenario where AP abusing his kid wouldn't be immoral unless it's something like someone having a gun to another kid's head and they are gonna shoot that kid in the head if AP doesn't whip his kid with a branch. I don't think that was the case though.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:05 am

Joe K wrote:
HaulCitgo wrote:NFL is being thrust into the deep end of social ills beyond what government has been willing to address.
As Bengal pointed out, Goodell brought this on himself by making his personal conduct suspensions a centerpiece of his public image. How many nauseating articles were written about "Sheriff" Goodell and all the great work he was doing keeping players under control? But as it turned out, his suspensions did nothing to actually reduce the rate of off-field incidents (real shocker that guys committing violent crimes don't think rationally about the potential consequences), and Goodell is simply not capable of administering discipline in a fair and consistent manner. I don't know if the owners will fire him, but I think they have to completely revamp how personal conduct discipline is handled.

a fuckton!

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:13 am

Where the fuck is Goodell anyway? Haven't heard a peep in over a week. Is he just hiding under his desk with a bottle of scotch at this point?

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:16 am

Jerloma wrote:I can't really think of a scenario where AP abusing his kid wouldn't be immoral unless it's something like someone having a gun to another kid's head and they are gonna shoot that kid in the head if AP doesn't whip his kid with a branch. I don't think that was the case though.

I got into a very similar argument over "who is worse, Peterson or Rice".

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:19 am

Guy is very much in hiding. Maybe he fled in a plane to Nebraska like W.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:22 am

mister d wrote:
Jerloma wrote:I can't really think of a scenario where AP abusing his kid wouldn't be immoral unless it's something like someone having a gun to another kid's head and they are gonna shoot that kid in the head if AP doesn't whip his kid with a branch. I don't think that was the case though.
I got into a very similar argument over "who is worse, Peterson or Rice".

If you make it apples to apples and presume that there is a video of the AP thing, it would probably be even more disturbing.

HaulCitgo · Post by **HaulCitgo** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:22 am

Id say its not immoral to the extent the severity of the injuries were not intentional and the choice of weapon was intended to limit the severity. Sometimes you hit kids too hard without realizing it. The kid and I were play fighting and I knocked the wind out of him a couple weeks ago. It happens. Also, I give some credit to the idea that a switch is intended to walk the line of physical pain to make a child remember and insufficient power to cause injury.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:25 am

Jerloma wrote:Where the fuck is Goodell anyway? Haven't heard a peep in over a week. Is he just hiding under his desk with a bottle of scotch at this point?

Leadership!

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:27 am

HaulCitgo wrote:Id say its not immoral to the extent the severity of the injuries were not intentional and the choice of weapon was intended to limit the severity. Sometimes you hit kids too hard without realizing it. The kid and I were play fighting and I knocked the wind out of him a couple weeks ago. It happens. Also, I give some credit to the idea that a switch is intended to walk the line of physical pain to make a child remember and insufficient power to cause injury.

Look at the pictures.

Play fighting is different than whipping with a weapon.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:31 am

Holy shit. A switch isn't a weapon.

Pruitt · Post by **Pruitt** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:32 am

AB_skin_test wrote:Holy shit. A switch isn't a weapon.

Well, I define "weapon" as something other than the human body that is intended to cause injury.

boxcar · Post by **boxcar** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:32 am

anything can be a weapon.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:32 am

Well, if you're arguing intent, I doubt many switch users intend to cause injury.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:34 am

AB_skin_test wrote:Holy shit. A switch isn't a weapon.

An icepick isn't either, until you're stabbed through your scrotum with it.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:37 am

Giff wrote:
AB_skin_test wrote:Holy shit. A switch isn't a weapon.
An icepick isn't either, until you're stabbed through your scrotum with it.

I told you never to speak of that night.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:43 am

Whatever the intent, it sure looks a lot like ritualistic whipping.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:44 am

boxcar wrote:anything can be a weapon.

Fucking Marines.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:45 am

Maybe this should be a poll: Knowing both would be brutally murdered by Aaron Hernandez if you refused to choose, would you punch your wife in the face or stuff leaves in your kid's mouth and whip him/her bloody?

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:45 am

tennbengal wrote:re: Bengal paranoia...you weren't there! you can't know!

Ha! Those were good times. I miss my old avatar SL made me, with OchoCinco holding a sign saying X days without an arrest. BTW, did the league suspend Chris Henry for his domestic violence incident?

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:46 am

mister d wrote:Maybe this should be a poll: Knowing both would be brutally murdered by Aaron Hernandez if you refused to choose, would you punch your wife in the face or stuff leaves in your kid's mouth and whip him/her bloody?

Do I at some point get to explain to my wife that I chose punching her over beating our kid?

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:48 am

Just as a quick aside, anyone saying that a company that makes beer does not have the moral standing to condemn child abuse is ten times as dumb as shit.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:49 am

rass wrote:
mister d wrote:Maybe this should be a poll: Knowing both would be brutally murdered by Aaron Hernandez if you refused to choose, would you punch your wife in the face or stuff leaves in your kid's mouth and whip him/her bloody?
Do I at some point get to explain to my wife that I chose punching her over beating our kid?

My wife doesn't know who Aaron Hernandez is anyway.

A_B · Post by **A_B** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:49 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:Just as a quick aside, anyone saying that a company that makes beer does not have the moral standing to condemn child abuse is ten times as dumb as shit.

Abuse Responsibly.

Rex · Post by **Rex** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:49 am

boxcar wrote:anything can be a weapon.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:50 am

The Sybian wrote:
tennbengal wrote:re: Bengal paranoia...you weren't there! you can't know!
Ha! Those were good times. I miss my old avatar SL made me, with OchoCinco holding a sign saying X days without an arrest. BTW, did the league suspend Chris Henry for his domestic violence incident?

Shit, I don't even remember at this point. I don't think so. Odell Thurman, oddly enough, was the one that the league landed on the hardest.

The Sybian · Post by **The Sybian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:50 am

mister d wrote:Maybe this should be a poll: Knowing both would be brutally murdered by Aaron Hernandez if you refused to choose, would you punch your wife in the face or stuff leaves in your kid's mouth and whip him/her bloody?

Depends who deserves it more that day.

tennbengal · Post by **tennbengal** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:50 am

rass wrote:
mister d wrote:Maybe this should be a poll: Knowing both would be brutally murdered by Aaron Hernandez if you refused to choose, would you punch your wife in the face or stuff leaves in your kid's mouth and whip him/her bloody?
Do I at some point get to explain to my wife that I chose punching her over beating our kid?

May want to do that over a nice dinner.

Giff · Post by **Giff** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:57 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:Just as a quick aside, anyone saying that a company that makes beer does not have the moral standing to condemn child abuse is ten times as dumb as shit.

Yeah, Arian Foster is very annoying.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:58 am

Johnny Carwash wrote:Just as a quick aside, anyone saying that a company that makes beer does not have the moral standing to condemn child abuse is ten times as dumb as shit.

Wow. I had to look this up. Arian Foster actually said that alcohol and DV are practically synonymous! Wow! Fucking wow! Everyone has lost their fucking minds.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:05 am

Short of beating his daughter bloody with a non-weapon, I'm probably always going to like him for this: 6 Things I'll Try to Teach My Daughter

(I mean, that's a really great coat, isn't it?)

govmentchedda · Post by **govmentchedda** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:20 am

Sabo wrote:Deadspin bringing the heat against the "Elite NFL Media".

Second article down from this is straight trolling Jerloma.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:23 am

govmentchedda wrote:
Sabo wrote:Deadspin bringing the heat against the "Elite NFL Media".
Second article down from this is straight trolling Jerloma.

Nah. I don't care. They sell it in my state now and it isn't going anywhere. The haters can suck it. Know what I have noticed though...it tastes so much better out of a can than it does out of a bottle. It's the only beer I can say that for.

mister d · Post by **mister d** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:30 am

Probably because metal has a bit more of a smell than glass?

Post by **brian** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:30 am

Jerloma wrote:
govmentchedda wrote:
Sabo wrote:Deadspin bringing the heat against the "Elite NFL Media".
Second article down from this is straight trolling Jerloma.
Nah. I don't care. They sell it in my state now and it isn't going anywhere. The haters can suck it. Know what I have noticed though...it tastes so much better out of a can than it does out of a bottle. It's the only beer I can say that for.

It's the lead cans. Lead tastes sweet.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:31 am

mister d wrote:Probably because metal has a bit more of a smell than glass?

Are you being facetious? I don't know how that's applicable.

howard · Post by **howard** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:31 am

HaulCitgo wrote:But it is apparent that these guys aren't equipped for this.

These guys are not that smart. I include the owners by and large in this assessment. What is obvious from their conduct is clouded by the massive, overwhelming delusion that wealth = intelligence. This popular delusion has worsened tremendously over the past couple of decades (along with the worsening worship of money and the financialization of everything in our society.)

Leaving aside the owners for a moment, just looking at league and team officials. The more they are paid, the more intelligent they are assumed to be. In spite of the copious evidence to the contrary. From Goodell on down. These people are mediocrities, as their behavior clearly demonstrates.

Decades ago, I saw this up close, when I worked for The League as a lowly security guard. The men surrounding Rozelle were not too smart. The next level down tended to be the bright ones; somehow they didn't migrate to the top nearly as often as merit would predict. I've come to see this as typical for large organizations, private and public. A combination of the conceits and corruptions of wealth, and the failure of most organizational structures, I suppose.

rass · Post by **rass** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:34 am

howard wrote:A combination of the conceits and corruptions of wealth, and the failure of most organizational structures, I suppose.

Apparently, those are called "silos". Who knew?

Johnny Carwash · Post by **Johnny Carwash** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:36 am

I have an irrational personal attachment to Yuengling. I've had it twice, both times in airport bars, not long after I broke a longstanding stretch of teetotaling (long story) and when I was still on the fence over whether I would like this whole beer thing at all. Yuengling single-handedly restored my confidence in beer, and remains the best mass-produced American lager I've had (know that's not a tall order, but still). I'd probably pay two or three times what it's worth to get it where I live.

From what I've seen of Deadspin's beer rankings, apparently the way to make a beer they actually like is to fill a jar two-thirds of the way with hops and the rest with vinegar at let it stew for three years.

Jerloma · Post by **Jerloma** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:38 am

Dude, can't you like spit and hit Massachusetts from Portsmouth?